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Old March 14th, 2013, 03:13 PM   #681
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HeyHo,

last december there were rumours of the start of new border-crossing IC trains (2-3 services a day) on those two lines.

Lyon-Torino
(Marseille?)-Nice-Ventimiglia-Milano

Does anybody know if there is still a future for those trains? Are they still planning to start such a service in April?

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Old April 3rd, 2013, 02:17 AM   #682
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News: the new by-pass at Nîmes has been opened.
It allows trains to/from Alès and beyond (Mende, Clermont-Ferrand) to get directly to Nîmes station without having to enter Nîmes station backwards.

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La salida de Nîmes hacia tanto Clermont-Ferrand cómo hacia Aviñon y Marsella se realiza a través de un viaducto que cruza toda la ciudad, de hecho la estación está en el viaducto. Lo mismo que existe actualmente en la ciudad de Gerona, vaya.























El tramo de vía renovada con traviesa monobloque de hormigón, hasta ahora inusual en Francia (usaban la bibloque, hasta en las líneas de alta velocidad) nos delata el inicio del tramo



Desvío de acceso y inicio del viaducto. Cómo podéis ver, hemos circulado a "contravía" desde la estación (en Francia en líneas de vía doble la circulación es por la izquierda, excepto en Alsacia y la Lorena)



Traviesa de hormigón y doble contracarril de seguridad. Cómo podéis ver, no han electrificado ni un solo trocito por si algun tren eléctrico se "colara" por error en el viaducto...





Inicio del tramo de vía en placa, tramo metálico incluido. Sobrevolamos la línea hacia Aviñon y el tecnicentre de Nîmes, así cómo el acceso a la estación de Courbessac

















Fin del viaducto



Hacia la derecha, a Nîmes (viajeros) por el viaducto. A la izquierda, acceso a la estación de Nîmes-Courbessac, por dónde hasta ahora iban los trenes y hacían la posterior inversión de marcha





Inicio de la vía doble hasta Alès











Fin.

Un par de fotos extra, del tren que ha hecho posible este reportaje:







Espero que sea de vuestro agrado
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Old June 21st, 2013, 03:44 AM   #683
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Cuts because of the floods in the Spanish and French Pyrenees.

The line Toulouse-Tarbes-Pau-Puyoo-Bayonne is cut near Coarraze-Nay station (between Pau and Lourdes), since the river Gave de Pau ate 20m of the railway platform, leaving the rails hanging. This cut involves the TGV Paris-Pau-Lourdes-Tarbes (no service between Pau and Tarbes), and also the IC services between Toulouse and Hendaye, and the TER regional trains.

The line Montrejeau-Luchon is also cut due to the floods of river Garonne that have heavily affected both Spain and France.
Depending on the scale of the damages, this line could be closed, since it was in very bad state anyway.
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Old June 21st, 2013, 11:46 AM   #684
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the IC services between Toulouse and Hendaye
Some years ago that train was overtaken by a TER in the stretch Bayonne-Hendaye, so it was faster to change to the TER in Bayonne that to stay in the IC. You saved like 8-10 minutes. The two options were shown on the sales system, and the TER option gave better connections with Euskotren, so there were people who changed to the TER instead of staying in the IC.
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Paris, Gare de Lyon
The hall 2 is now fully completed.

Shame that they didn't torn down the white little building.
This is the entrance of an underground car park.


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Now that´s a saturated station.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 01:08 PM   #687
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yes it's saturated and within 10 years all Paris railways station will be saturated!

A new one at Stdenis Pleyel near stade de france) will be the international terminus for Eurostar because i can't imagine the actual Gare du nord able to absorb the growing traffic

The eurostar terminus at gare du nord should be redeployed for national trains imo
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I think Paris should build a mega "central station" for long-distance, high-speed and international traffic.

The problem is just the location. Contrary to Berlin, London or Madrid, for instance, there isn't much empty space left in central Paris.

At the very least they should connect the lines. Linking Gare du Nord and Gare d'Est with Gare de Lyon (Bercy) and Gare d'Austerlitz doesn't seem to be that difficult with a single 4-track tunnel. However, more expensive work is needed to link Montparnasse and St Lazare with the other 4.
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.Linking Gare du Nord and Gare d'Est with Gare de Lyon (Bercy) and Gare d'Austerlitz doesn't seem to be that difficult with a single 4-track tunnel. However, more expensive work is needed to link Montparnasse and St Lazare with the other 4.
Which at least would link together the 4 stations where they have international trafic. Beats the RER/Metro connections hands down,
I've done it often enough (with children, luggage et al) to know it.
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yes it's saturated and within 10 years all Paris railways station will be saturated!
I don´t think so. Most of them yes, but I think that with the RER E to Mantes, and with an important upgrading of Bercy and Vaugirard stations, something could be done about that. But that´s not an eternal solution either.

Starting to save money for the third and fourth tube between Châtelet and Gare du Nord could allow more room for expanding the RER D by adding some Transilien branches to it (Persan? Luzarches?).

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St Denis Pleyel is the same as Carrefour Pleyel?

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St denis pleyel above paris not far from Stade de France.
5 min to Gare du nord with new metro by 2025 (that's why i said within 10 years gare du nord saturated)

It will be connected to New metro Line 15 & 16 + extension L14:

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How much of all this is in works now?

I heard something about the Tangentielle Nord and M14 north of St Lazare, but is there anything else beyond the project stage, apart from RER E?
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I think Paris should build a mega "central station" for long-distance, high-speed and international traffic.
That would be a waste of money. To improve connections, the best is to improve services at smaller and less busy TGV stations around Paris such as Marne-la-Vallée or CDG. Others could be built too, a TGV stop at La Défense could definitely be useful. It would also help preventing major terminus stations in Paris from saturation, as it would be easier for people willing to go to the suburbs to reach these stations.

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How much of all this is in works now?

I heard something about the Tangentielle Nord and M14 north of St Lazare, but is there anything else beyond the project stage, apart from RER E?
Tangentielle Nord is under-construction. It should be completed by 2018.
Some works have already begun for RER E, digging should begin in 2014. M14 extension digging should begin in 2014 as well.
We'll have to wait a few years to see if the other projects actually get built, especially M16, 17 and 18.
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the whole metro project is 30 billion €
For the railway eurostar station alone it hasn't been fixed yet but Lille europe TGV or roissy TGV station cost each around 200 million € of 1993
You have to X 3 today then you'll have easily something around 700 million€ !
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And still they will do all this before doing the third and fourth tubes between Châtelet and Gare du Nord?

Overcrowding (and thus also in RER B and RER D) won´t become massive by the time all this gets done?
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yes it's saturated and within 10 years all Paris railways station will be saturated!

A new one at Stdenis Pleyel near stade de france) will be the international terminus for Eurostar because i can't imagine the actual Gare du nord able to absorb the growing traffic

The eurostar terminus at gare du nord should be redeployed for national trains imo
GdL is nowhere near saturated at the moment. The station has 22 tracks for about 13-15 departures per hour.
Gare Du Nord has about 10 departures/h from the "Grand Lignes" part, which has 18 tracks.
Granted, 4 of those are reserved for Eurostar. But that means that there is still a lot of room for Eurostar services to be increased.
Gare de L'Est is at the moment way below capacity. It has 29(!) tracks, for about 4/5 departures per hour. There's even only one single departure from there between 9 and 10...

With more and more suburban lines converted in to RER the main terminals are actually getting less, in stead of more trains. I don't think Paris will need a new main line station anytime soon.

Paris should invest in getting those suburban lines that have not yet been converted in to RER integrated in the system, and have them all run through tunnels.

Next to that SNCF should improve the intersector TGV services, and coordinate their schedules better, so that changing stations in Paris would not be needed for most passengers...
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I don't invent the new eurostar station. Traffic will increase in the next 10 years. Where do you live??
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I don't invent the new eurostar station. Traffic will increase in the next 10 years.
How much will it increase?

Currently there is roughly a train every hour. With four platforms Eurostar should be able to easily have about 6 departures and arrivals per hour. They could even go to 16 per hour, if they would accept efficient turnarounds.
So there is plenty of room to grow.

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Switzerland. Which is why I know from daily experience what a busy station _really_ looks like...

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With more and more suburban lines converted in to RER the main terminals are actually getting less, in stead of more trains. I don't think Paris will need a new main line station anytime soon.
Are you thinking about a future RER F between Pont Cardinet and Vaugirard via Haussmann St Lazare/Auber-Invalides-Montparnasse-Vaugirard-Vanves Malakoff?

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Paris should invest in getting those suburban lines that have not yet been converted in to RER integrated in the system, and have them all run through tunnels.
I understand that it´s a good idea to give priority to the Paris-Mantes la Jolie HSL.

I also understand that RER E between Haussman St Lazare and Mantes la Jolie is the top priority.

But I can´t understand how the third and fourth tubes between Châtelet and Gare du Nord aren´t given priority.
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Any new RER apart from RER E extension, RER D's "barreau de gonnesse" and possible construction of a proper tunnel for RER D between GDN and CLH is pure fantasy. New RER lines is not what Paris needs, but increased reliability and capacity on existing lines.

Even though RER E extension to the West and new line between Saint-Lazare and Mantes-La-Jolie are linked, the new line is -unfortunately- probably not going to be built soon, as it is expensive and politically complicated. If built, it wouldn't be a HSL, maximum speed should be around 200km/h, but that's enough as most of the trains expected on this line are medium-distance trains to Normandy.

Studies for the building of a new tunnel for RER D between Gare du Nord and Les Halles have begun more than one year ago and the results should have been communicated to the public by now. We're not even sure that this tunnel is technically feasible, other options such as building a new tunnel from Gare du Nord to Gare de Lyon via République could be studied. Once the studies are done, then the project will be able to go to a step further, just like RER E extension to the West.
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