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Old July 4th, 2013, 08:08 AM   #701
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Studies for the building of a new tunnel for RER D between Gare du Nord and Les Halles have begun more than one year ago and the results should have been communicated to the public by now. We're not even sure that this tunnel is technically feasible, other options such as building a new tunnel from Gare du Nord to Gare de Lyon via République could be studied. Once the studies are done, then the project will be able to go to a step further, just like RER E extension to the West.
What about a tunnel from GdN to Montparnasse?
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Old July 4th, 2013, 09:37 AM   #702
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Currently there is roughly a train every hour. With four platforms Eurostar should be able to easily have about 6 departures and arrivals per hour. They could even go to 16 per hour, if they would accept efficient turnarounds.
Yes; but now, the french are notably unable to organize any serious traffic
density from & to terminal stations. I remember once reading in "La vie du
rail" that the station Lille Flandres was saturated. How many tracks do they
have there ? Around 20 ? And the volume of traffic they declared was about
the same as the one we had in Antwerp Centraal, during the renovation
works... with 3 tracks only .
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Old July 4th, 2013, 11:04 AM   #703
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What about a tunnel from GdN to Montparnasse?
There is no such project as far as I know.
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Old July 5th, 2013, 09:56 PM   #704
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New Hall 2 in Paris Gare de Lyon, France’s first high speed railway station, inaugurated on 26 June

After three years of refurbishment, the new Hall 2 in Paris’ Gare de Lyon station was inaugurated on Wednesday 26 June 2013 in the company of Guillaume Pepy, President of SNCF, Robert Zolade, President of Elior, Gérard Bienfait, President of VINCI Construction France and Rachel Picard, Director of Stations & Connections. Gare de Lyon station handles 105 million passengers each year, with trains departing every two minutes and serving all stations in the south-east and key European routes towards Italy, Switzerland and Spain.

Guillaume Pepy said,

I am proud to acknowledge the performance of the teams which have worked on this important project, and the accomplishment of all those who have provided passenger services in often sensitive conditions. “Services will continue throughout the works!” as they would say. This project illustrates SNCF Group’s know-how and sense of customer service. Together with our partners, we wish to show French and foreign travellers a project that meets France’s highest standards – an exceptional piece of architecture bringing together the past and the present, a host of services providing individual attention and a wide variety of retail and restaurants for our customers – in short, a living station!”

Rachel Picard, Director of Stations & Connections, said

Paris Gare de Lyon station meets the needs of a 21st century station with its diverse history and contemporary vibrancy as a station which is welcoming, bright and comfortable. It is a seamless station which accompanies passengers throughout their journey – a station open to the city. Under this glass roof and in this project we have not only wanted to provide comfort and aesthetics, but also emotions: space and time for passengers to set their own pace; retail and services for the full experience; a thought for every traveller – whether great or small, indulgent or rushed; whether a business or leisure trip, occasional or daily journey – we wanted to deliver a station which provides an enjoyable living experience.”

The project’s architects are Jean-Marie Duthilleul, François Bonnefille, Etienne Tricaud and Fabienne Couvert.

A new space offering unique and innovative retail

For Stations & Connections, the new Hall 2 project served as an opportunity to rethink the overall running of the station in terms of services and to develop its business potential by working with Elior, the project’s contractor, which involved building a mezzanine under a glass roof, combining originality with innovation.

Established on two floors, the new sales points offering self-service ticket machines to counter services and take away sales are neatly incorporated into the transparent and bright architecture.


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Gare de Lyon station summed up in figures
  • 105 million passengers per year, of which 35 million travel on high speed lines
  • Largest TGV station in France with 35 million TGV passengers
  • Third busiest station in Paris
  • One train either departing or arriving every two minutes
  • An average of 300 trains in operation per day
  • 81,000 m² of total site area
http://www.uic.org/com/uic-e-news/35...800&height=600
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Old July 5th, 2013, 11:27 PM   #705
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Curious, 105 million passengers per year is not as high as I expected...
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Old July 6th, 2013, 01:25 AM   #706
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Knowing that the traffic was 90 million in 2002, the number of 105 million is not surprisingly high or low.
Gare de Lyon is the third busiest train station in Paris and France, there are Gare du Nord and Gare Saint Lazare with a higher traffic.
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Old July 6th, 2013, 04:40 AM   #707
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Is Gare de Saint-Lazare busier than Montparnasse?
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Old July 6th, 2013, 06:02 AM   #708
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Yes, twice as many passengers in 2002.
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Old July 12th, 2013, 07:53 PM   #709
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An intercity train from Paris to Limoges derailed near Brétegny, killing at least 8 passengers and injuring many others.

My thoughts go out to the victims and their relatives.
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Old July 12th, 2013, 11:29 PM   #710
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Published 2 hours ago :
French Wreck Reveals Hidden Danger in Its Vaunted Train System
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Old July 13th, 2013, 12:23 AM   #711
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This is one of the many pictures showing the results of today's crash:


I went to Google Maps to get an idea of the layout of the Brétigny railway station. I've made this picture to illustrate my suspicions, the yellow lines resemble the tracks (the numbers are not the actual platform numbers):



My suspicion is that the intercity train was meant to travel along track #3, but that something happened at the points in the blue circle as the train went over them, causing the coaches behind the 3rd one to go sideways towards track #2. As can be seen in the first picture, the platform has been wiped out by the coaches until after the staircase. Passengers on board the intercity declared feeling the train shaking and trembling heavily as it was passing the station.

The exact cause of the crash will have to be determined by the investigation crew, but I am suspecting the points to have been faulty. A derailment due to excessive speed (going over deflecting points) would have given a different end result, as the coaches would have been more aligned.
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Old July 13th, 2013, 05:51 PM   #712
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something happened at the points in the blue circle as the train went over them
The newspapers seem to confirm your version

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«Cette éclisse», sorte d'agrafe en acier qui relie deux rails dans un aiguillage, «s'est désolidarisée, elle s'est détachée, elle est sortie de son logement» [...] L'éclisse qui s'est détachée «est venue se loger au centre de l'aiguillage et à cet endroit elle a empêché le passage normal des roues du train et elle aurait provoqué le déraillement du train» a-t-il détaillé.
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Old July 13th, 2013, 06:55 PM   #713
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Yes, the culprit appears to be a loose fishplate (eclisse) on the point.
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Old July 13th, 2013, 10:05 PM   #714
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Locals attacking rescue workers? WTF?
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Old July 14th, 2013, 08:04 PM   #715
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Some pictures, courtesy of SNCF:








More pictures and information can be found on SNCF.com. SNCF expects that traffic will remain severely disrupted until the end of the week, see their plan de transport for details.
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So, anyone with a good knowledge of the French conventional rail network, is this the result of just a freak occurrence or more to do with some kind of neglect?
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More like a freak occurrence.
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When you realise that every switch in the entire world is constructed more or less similar an incident like this really emphasizes the importance of good maintenance, especially if you want to travel at significant speeds. What if the train travelled at LGV speeds instead of 137 km/h?
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When you realise that every switch in the entire world is constructed more or less similar an incident like this really emphasizes the importance of good maintenance, especially if you want to travel at significant speeds. What if the train travelled at LGV speeds instead of 137 km/h?
On high speed lines, rails are systematically welded so there aren't any
fishplates that could become loose...
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Is it me or are the timbers on that set of points looking a bit worn out?

But I guess they look no different to timber sleepers that you'd find on pointwork anywhere in Europe.
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