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Old February 26th, 2014, 02:02 AM   #801
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The fastest (approx. 10h45 including 30-40 minutes to change trains) Brest-Perpignan is via Rennes and Montpellier, it doesn't use the sections you mentioned above. Actually it uses the direct Rennes-Montpellier TGV which takes approx. 6 hours and stops in Le Mans, Massy-TGV, Lyon-Part-Dieu, Valence-TGV & Nîmes.
I know, but that is perhaps bound to change once the Toulouse-Bordeaux HSL opens (not tomorrow, that´s true) and if they upgraded Bordeaux-La Rochelle and in particular La Rochelle-La Roche sur Yon.

And then again, don´t tell me it isn´t silly that a Perpignan-Brest ideal route is better off via Montpellier, Lyon, Burgundy and Massy-Palaiseau (suburban Paris), rather than via the straight line (Toulouse-Bordeaux-La Rochelle-Nantes-Rennes-St Brieuc).
It´s not exactly like the route crosses large empty regions like the Lozère...
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Mate any idea when the Bordeaux-Marseille-Nice becomes HSL
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Old February 26th, 2014, 02:52 AM   #803
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Mate any idea when the Bordeaux-Marseille-Nice becomes HSL
-Nimes-Marseille opened in 2001 as part of the main HSL in France. Right now it´s used only by the AVE Marseille-Madrid for southern transversal trains.

-Montpellier-Nimes is in works. I saw them yesterday, they´ve just started, there´s still a long way to go, but if all goes well, it should be open by 2017, to the great relief of the classic line, which is saturated.

-Bordeaux-Toulouse by 2030, they say.

-Narbonne-Montpellier. Question mark. The EU wants it done. Spain wants it done. The Languedoc and Midi-Pyrenees want it done. Does the Ministry really do? We´re not sure. For now, any opening before 2030 seems very unlikely, but politicians change, and so do politics...

-Marseille-Nice... well... that´s expensive, really very expensive. No one really knows, no matter what politicians say. They´ll do it in phases, which is almost the only way it could be done, but then again, the cost it will have, even by phasing it, that could still take ages to see it completed.

-Toulouse-Narbonne. There´s nothing serious in the sector. Expect maybe an upgrade (the OHLE in particular, the poles are approaching 100 years old). No date yet.

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As for the trains, the old Corail coaches should, if all goes well, give way to TGVs once the Montpellier-Nimes opens, as it´s considered that the route will have a long enough HS section to be transferred to the HSL.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 03:02 AM   #804
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According to the latest news and to the Ministry, the Bordeaux-Toulouse HSL is now planned to open by 2024.


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Old February 26th, 2014, 05:28 AM   #805
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Bordeaux-Nantes is slow too.
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4 hours at the moment with numerous stops, but by 2017 (when the Tours-Bordeaux HSL will be opened) it will take approx. two hours via Tours by TGV.
BTW there are some rumors saying that the 4 hours Nantes-Bordeaux direct Intercités train will be removed by 2017 in order to force the passengers to use the TGV via Tours.
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There will be a significant improvement for the route I mentioned and all others Southwestern France to Northern parts of the country when Tours-Bordeaux line opens and that will be within 5 years for sure even if they end up being late on the original timetable. It really is a major missing part of the French HS network...
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The importance of the further development of the Southern corridor (Bordeaux-Toulouse-Marseille-Nice) is fairly obvious, but what would you think of a "central" corridor? I'm thinking like Bordeaux-Limoges-Clermont-Ferrand-Lyon-Geneva.
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4 hours at the moment with numerous stops, but by 2017 (when the Tours-Bordeaux HSL will be opened) it will take approx. two hours via Tours by TGV.
BTW there are some rumors saying that the 4 hours Nantes-Bordeaux direct Intercités train will be removed by 2017 in order to force the passengers to use the TGV via Tours.
To me, that would be a grave mistake, because they think too much in the Bordeaux-Nantes point-to-point passengers instead of the passengers generated in stations like La Roche-sur-Yon, La Rochelle, Rochefort and Saintes.

And creating new services via Angoulême-Poitiers-Tours-Saumur-Angers will attract new passengers on its own instead of needing to scrap the current services, which if they aren´t used by more passengers is precisely because of the bad state of the line between Bordeaux and La Roche-sur-Yon, between La Rochelle and La Roche-sur-Yon in particular.

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The importance of the further development of the Southern corridor (Bordeaux-Toulouse-Marseille-Nice) is fairly obvious, but what would you think of a "central" corridor? I'm thinking like Bordeaux-Limoges-Clermont-Ferrand-Lyon-Geneva.
Too expensive, you´d have to cross the Massif Central between Limoges and Clermont-Ferrand, and the Forez Mountains between Clermont-Ferrand and Lyon.

Besides, Limoges and Clermont-Ferrand are regional capitals, yes, but those two regions (Auvergne and Limousin) are the two with the lowest population density in France. The business case for this would be, at best, unclear.
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Come to think of it, there already IS a project of a HSL between Poitiers and Limoges (not sure at all how and when they´re going to fund it though), and a project of a HSL between Moulins and Lyon (as part of the POCL HSL).

Moulins-Lyon will be built sooner or later, that´s certain (I guess before 2050), while Poitiers-Limoges... who knows, maybe, maybe not.

But between Clermont and Limoges... you´d have to bore LOADS of tunnels.
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Donostia/San Sebastian-Irun-Hendaye narrow gauge line.
Hendaye station.


Hendaye Euskotren station is located right outside the entrance of the Sncf station, so it´s quite practical.
It´s also very simple: one track, one platform and that´s all, so the trains between Hendaye and Irun Ficoba (first Spanish station) run as shuttles, no other train can be in that section (which is really short anyway).

A class 200 EMU, some years ago. These EMUs have been withdrawn from this service, replaced by the newer class 900 EMUs, class 200 have been moved to another Euskotren line in Spain.

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Is that the only link between Spanish and French networks in the Basque country?
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Is that the only link between Spanish and French networks in the Basque country?
No, Sunfuns.

Just next to it there´s the Sncf station, to which the Alvias from Madrid-Chamartin and also the Trenhotel from Lisbon get.

The TGVs from Paris-Montparnasse, and also some TER from Bayonne, Dax, Bordeaux (and Toulouse too?) also enter Irun Renfe station.

Ironically, the Cercanías Renfe trains from Donostia/San Sebastian, Tolosa, Beasain, Zumárraga and Brinkola don´t, nor do the Alvias Barcelona-Irun.

This is less grave precisely because of the existence of the Euskotren line.

Btw, the section Irun Ficoba-Hendaye doesn´t belong to Euskotren, but to Adif (the Spanish section) and RFF (the French section), but it is permanently leased to Euskotren.
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I was almost sure there was, but not 100% sure

What happened with the idea to join Basque Y with the French network in standard gauge? Postponed until better financial times?
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A priority for international links from France should be a Huesca-Pau link.
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What happened with the idea to join Basque Y with the French network in standard gauge? Postponed until better financial times?
Not only because of the economy. Politics have had lots of influence too.
The ETA-supporting party (called Batasuna, now renamed as Bildu, it would be the Basque equivalent to the Sinn Fein, to give you an idea) had campaigned a lot on both sides of the border.
On the Spanish side that has had no effect, and the line is being built (there were attacks though, and if I remember correctly, one person who was related to the works of the HSL was murdered or very badly injured by ETA), but on the French side, not only they´ve won the public opinion, but they´ve also lured the more general political parties against the HSL.

That´s the main reason for the non-start of the works between Donostia/San Sebastian and Bayonne. Then the crisis arrived, of course, so postponing the works seemed quite a logical thing to do.

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They´re supposed to be more or less working to reopen the section between Oloron-Sainte-Marie and Bedous. If they finally achieve that, the logical thing to do would be to reopen Bedous-Canfranc and change the gauge of Tardienta-Huesca-Canfranc, and electrify at 25 kV the section Huesca-Canfranc, thus making possible a winter AVE Madrid-Canfranc (there are ski resorts around Canfranc, on the Spanish side), as well as Pau-Huesca-Zaragoza regional trains. The problem would be the freight (there´s freight between Canfranc and somewhere in Catalonia, I believe).
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These images on the video have been filmed on the Annecy-La Roche sur Foron line, the stations shown are Évires, Saint Julien, and Groisy-Thorens-La Caille.
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