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Old July 15th, 2008, 03:59 AM   #141
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Don't forget the trams.
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Old July 26th, 2008, 08:11 PM   #142
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When you say suburban rail system most North Americans think of low density suburban tracts of housing and shopping malls. In Europe the suburbs mean something different, mostly medium density apartment blocks, traditional 5-7 story main street building, as well as some single family homes as well. So suburban rail in Paris is well used, not only to get to downtown, but also to travel to other 'suburban' parts of Paris, not to mention the aeroport. The Greater Paris metro/rail/tram system should be a model to other cities.
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Old July 26th, 2008, 08:20 PM   #143
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paris has all types of suburbs rich middle class industrial gettho poor whatever it big diversity mix
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Old July 26th, 2008, 09:56 PM   #144
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I'm just wondering what percentage of Greater Paris residents live, let's say about 500m away from any kind of public transit station/stop? I know this figure is hard to determine, so any kind of educated guess will do. Thanks
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Old July 26th, 2008, 11:29 PM   #145
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About half?
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Old July 28th, 2008, 01:05 PM   #146
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paris has all types of suburbs rich middle class industrial gettho poor whatever it big diversity mix
True, though it should be recognised that the best coverage is probably found in the middle class neighbourhoods. The wealthy neighbourhoods in the west of Paris have thin coverage because they are mostly thinly populated (=large gardens & green surroundings) plus in the case of the "old rich" parts of Paris herself there's some resistance to public transport. For example, the wealthy citizens of Paris 16 recently blocked plans to prolong tram line 2 into their neigbourhood. In the poorest suburbs there has, for political reasons one suspects, until recently been reluctance to boost public transport. This is one (but only one) reason for the exasperation of the inhabitants in these neighbourhoods: many of them cannot afford cars, so without RER/metro/tram they are stranded and, often, unemployable. There are, however, now big plans to improve their access - including through a large rail beltway running around Paris through the northern, eastern and southern suburbs.
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Old July 28th, 2008, 03:38 PM   #147
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Also - if you provide decent transport in any area within a 100 years it will usually become middle class.
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Old July 28th, 2008, 08:30 PM   #148
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Also - if you provide decent transport in any area within a 100 years it will usually become middle class.
Wow, one hundred years! Where did you come up with that timeline?
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Old July 29th, 2008, 05:12 AM   #149
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I would say within 10 years things would be better.
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Old July 29th, 2008, 02:12 PM   #150
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Wow, one hundred years! Where did you come up with that timeline?
Well I have no idea, and I thought the socio-demographic change would occur within a few decades, but to be safe I said within a century, as thats how long the transport system has been around for.
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Old August 5th, 2008, 09:17 AM   #151
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I'm just wondering what percentage of Greater Paris residents live, let's say about 500m away from any kind of public transit station/stop? I know this figure is hard to determine, so any kind of educated guess will do. Thanks
If we include the bus system as well, the figure must be really high. I doubt someone has the answer though.
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Old August 9th, 2008, 07:42 PM   #152
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I guess I'm trying to make the point that Parisians are very well served by public transit.
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Old August 11th, 2008, 04:52 PM   #153
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Well, if you ask anyone who have to use it daily, he'll tell you that it's far from being perfect.
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Old August 12th, 2008, 12:28 PM   #154
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There's not a city on Earth where you will find an inhabitant that'll say the public transport in their is absolutely perfect. People like complaining, no matter how lucky they are.
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Old August 12th, 2008, 01:18 PM   #155
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Yeah and then Australians moan about their public transport systems..... compared with what we have in Auckland!
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Old August 12th, 2008, 09:20 PM   #156
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Maybe because basically, every city on Earth is yet to accomplish major progress in terms of public transportation.
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Old August 13th, 2008, 12:55 AM   #157
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or because if you build public transportation, more people will travel on it, and it'll just be congested (this is an anti-roads argument in the UK - if you build it, lots of people will use it and it'll just get congested)

To be honest, there's some sense in that (though it implies you can never build yourself out of congestion, which isn't quite the case) - we have better transport networks these days than 200 years ago, and we travel a lot more now than then.
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Yeah its just a supply and demand phenomenon. Its like other products. Produce more stuff, the price goes down, more people can afford it and buy it, price balances out again.
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Old September 30th, 2008, 04:41 AM   #159
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Just to doublecheck, are those pictures of La Defense station?

And would you happen to know if there are any pics floating around of any of the RER lines and/or stations being constructed?
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Old September 30th, 2008, 08:33 AM   #160
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yep, this is La Défense station.

For your second request, no RER line is being constructed at the moment.
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