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Old October 17th, 2013, 02:35 PM   #501
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Old October 17th, 2013, 02:56 PM   #502
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Parts of Milan look really run down! Not saying London is any better... London has probably has some of the scariest neighborhoods in Western Europe. But its just odd seeing it in Milan.

I guess most modern large cities has this problem though.. :-/
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Old October 17th, 2013, 03:08 PM   #503
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what are you referring to in particular? street furniture? all the area around citylife building yard will be requalified
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Old October 17th, 2013, 03:26 PM   #504
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what are you referring to in particular? street furniture? all the area around citylife building yard will be requalified
Like in this picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9682365286/

Everywhere near the Il Dritto looks brilliant though!
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Old October 17th, 2013, 03:37 PM   #505
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From pictures things might look worse than they actually are. Milan has certainly shown little respect for the public spaces in the last 50 years, but I'm wondering what is your definition of "scary".

The area in the picture you posted, for instance, is by no means "scary". On the contrary, it is one of Milan's high class neighborhoods. Which lacks on good decorative features. I wouldn't compare it with London, since in Milan it's more about general lack of modern decorative features in the streets, notwithstanding how rich the area is, rather than a sharp divide between ghettos and posh neighborhoods.

Even the poshest street in town, via Montenapoleone, where you can find the most exclusive shops, has very poor decorative features.

Luckily, there are huge renovation projects going on in the city.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 03:43 PM   #506
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Everywhere near the Il Dritto looks brilliant though!
there're works there
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Old October 17th, 2013, 03:55 PM   #507
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Milan have the friendliest neighborhoods in Europe for a city of its dimensions I would say...except some little areas under riqualification there are no reality like the east end or banlieux...I'm not saying there are no risk whatever, of course there are, but in general less than the other +3 millions people european cities...you go out of the city and you'll find very quiet boroughs...
it might be about lacking of urban furniture the impressions you're telling us about, but I've never perceived a risky situation whatever in any part of the city in any given hour...I've not even ever been stolen anything in my whole life ahaha! That might sound pretty boring ahahah!
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Old October 17th, 2013, 04:08 PM   #508
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Bligh has a point here because a first glimpse of unmanaged lawns, abandoned rail lanes, catwalks used as parking lots are not uncommon in Milan, although such carelessness is not widespread - rather scattered here and there.

Since Milan appoints itself as the World Leading City of Design -which is true to much an extent- it is a sore in the eye to see neglect and shabby public spaces, even in some exclusive neighbourhood like Area Fiera.

I also have to point out things have been getting better in the latest -say- ten years. It's still a long way ahead though.

Luckily, not a single area in the whole of Greater Milan Area (around 5 milion people) can be described as scary.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 04:18 PM   #509
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Bligh has a point here because a first glimpse of unmanaged lawns, abandoned rail lanes, catwalks used as parking lots are not uncommon in Milan, although such carelessness is not widespread - rather scattered here and there.

Since Milan appoints itself as the World Leading City of Design -which is true to much an extent- it is a sore in the eye to see neglect and shabby public spaces, even in some exclusive neighbourhood like Area Fiera.

I also have to point out things have been getting better in the latest -say- ten years. It's still a long way ahead though.

Luckily, not a single area in the whole of Greater Milan Area (around 5 milion people) can be described as scary.
I agree with all of your comments. But yes... this guy knows what I mean. Not scary as in a Gangster Ghetto (which unfortunately London has the most of in Europe), but just run down.. un-cared for.

And for a City with such high expectation and concentration on Fashion and Design - its kind of dissapointing. But I am sure its rare!

I have been to Milan twice - but only the centre of the City.

For a area that is posh, it is not looked after well. Im sure the EXPO and Il Dritto development will change things for the better though.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 04:52 PM   #510
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I know the point very well, and I tend to agree. One would expect much more from a city that claims to be a world capital of design and fashion. This is a very reasonable point, and many milanese people now consider as top priorities interventions like renovation of sidewalks and parks, or pedestrianization of squares. Something that was considered redundant for so many years, it is now perceived as a normal feature of a modern city, like sewage or district heating. People are really craving for a better looking, more modern city: the hundreds of milanese crowding every day the new Gae Aulenti Square in Porta Nuova can confirm you that.

But, as said, it's more than meets the eye. We all tend to apply to other realities the same schemes we're familiar with.
Hence, from a Londoner's point of view scruffy lawn in public parks or leaning road signals are distinctive features of a dangerous or scary neighborhood. This ain't true in Milan.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #511
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Exemples giving

Close to Piazza del Duomo where banks seat and the Stock Exchange are settled https://maps.google.it/maps?ll=45.46...63.07,,0,-9.05

This is the 'garden' which Bligh was talkin' of https://maps.google.it/maps?ll=45.48...268.41,,0,3.19 tags everywhere

Unfortunately tags are spread out all over the city.
Some in the historical city center https://maps.google.it/maps?ll=45.46...59.42,,0,-5.27
https://maps.google.it/maps?ll=45.45...238.83,,0,1.59
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Old October 17th, 2013, 07:39 PM   #512
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As other forumers previously said some renovations are going on paying attention to urban design

Via Paolo Sarpi aka Milanese ChinaTown

Before https://maps.google.it/maps?ll=45.48...71.66,,0,-2.86

After https://maps.google.it/maps?ll=45.48...278.13,,0,1.64
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Old October 17th, 2013, 09:08 PM   #513
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Old October 18th, 2013, 02:49 PM   #514
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Old October 18th, 2013, 11:18 PM   #515
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cladding begins!!


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Old October 18th, 2013, 11:26 PM   #516
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Milan's skyline will look awesome in a couple of years.
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Old October 19th, 2013, 11:27 PM   #518
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cladding


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Old October 19th, 2013, 11:55 PM   #519
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Old October 20th, 2013, 06:33 PM   #520
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