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Old March 1st, 2007, 04:16 PM   #41
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well I won't defent Planet Hollywhatever - but the Movenpick if open now would be doing a good business... they just were there 5 years too early. Now with all the condos at Cityplace I bet it would have more business then a weekly CBC tv show - which too is now dead.
Does anyone know what happened to Movenpick anyway? It seems as if they pulled out of Toronto/Canada/International almost entirely. I remember when I still lived in Geneva, we used to go to Movenpick almost daily, and in Toronto the tradition continued.. Until they closed them down
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Old March 1st, 2007, 05:47 PM   #42
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Movenpick and their franchisee in Canada (Richtree) broke ties, hence why Marché (and Marchélino) are Richtree-branded now. I guess Movenpick wasn't a successful enough venture for Richtree to continue on its own (and rebrand).

Is that space still empty?
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Old March 1st, 2007, 06:16 PM   #43
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Yes, absolutely empty, and it's going to soon be in the heart of the new Yorkville. (I'd say the entertainement district will become ridiculously ritzy!)
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 07:11 AM   #44
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Ah I always wondered why Marchelino at Square One went from being Movenpick branded to Richtree branded.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 11:59 AM   #45
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Ah I always wondered why Marchelino at Square One went from being Movenpick branded to Richtree branded.
I never even noticed. Is the quality still as good I wonder though...
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 01:30 AM   #46
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I was told that the TELUS building will be connected to Union Station and to Maple Leaf Square so the path is getting closer to the lake! Does anyone know whats happening with the properties on the west side of York Street south of the tracks?
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I never even noticed. Is the quality still as good I wonder though...
I don't think I've ever sat down and had a meal at the Square One location. And the last time I went to the Yonge St one was with my ex so I try to forget it.

Back on topic, I've always enjoyed the PATH, and I think extensions to the south would be great for getting to the waterfront. But connecting with the path at Yonge & Bloor should be a priority. Just so you can say you can walk from Union to Bloor without ever going above ground.
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 09:44 AM   #48
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Back on topic, I've always enjoyed the PATH, and I think extensions to the south would be great for getting to the waterfront. But connecting with the path at Yonge & Bloor should be a priority. Just so you can say you can walk from Union to Bloor without ever going above ground.
While it would be nice to see the PATH network run from Queens Quay to Bloor there aren't very many buildings to string together between College and Bloor unless you go through Queens Park and U of T and connect the offices and various colleges to the system. But then we'd have the current problem in getting to the Eaton Centre from Union of having to go around and out of your way because there is no direct route straight up Yonge or possibly Bay.

Anyone out there have a Perly's mapbook pre-Rand-McNally takeover? I've had to cobble together an incomplete map of the Yorkville PATH from the various buildings' websites. I wonder if the Yorkville PATH has a map inside the system like they do further south? I'll have to check it out if I'm in the area.
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 06:29 PM   #49
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One solution to bridge PATH to Bloor, could involve the city building under Bay St, from Dundas and hooking up with Manulife. This would be different than what has normally taken place, as it would not really involve any buildings persay, but rather a tunnel under Bay with its own rentable space along the way, and possible knockout access to existing and future buildings along both sides of Bay (of which there are lots).

They could install one of those moving sidewalks like they did at the airport, which will wisk people fairly quickly straight down Bay, from Bloor to Dundas, with get-off points along the way.

This would be expensive to build, but the city could make money by charging rents for retail space in the tunnel itself, as well as charge buildings for underground access. They could also use the Section 37 funds from developers to help pay for its construction. I think it is doable, and with PATH...the Bay corridor and existing Bloor underground, would vault Toronto's underground city into another catagory all together.




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Old March 3rd, 2007, 06:37 PM   #50
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Wouldn't that be difficult to do, what with all the infrastructure under street level? ie water, sewage, electric, gas, etc... Would involve a lot of relocation..
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 06:53 PM   #51
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Of course it would...but that's something that has to be dealt with on a regular basis anyway...they're always doing that.





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Old March 5th, 2007, 03:54 PM   #52
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I was told that the TELUS building will be connected to Union Station and to Maple Leaf Square so the path is getting closer to the lake!
You were told wrong. That was never an intention.

The below grade area under Bremner is reserved for a streetcar tunnel.

Both Telus and Maple Leaf Square will connect to the ACC which does have PATH connection.
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Old March 5th, 2007, 09:02 PM   #53
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You were told wrong. That was never an intention.

The below grade area under Bremner is reserved for a streetcar tunnel.

Both Telus and Maple Leaf Square will connect to the ACC which does have PATH connection.
So if any building is built to the West of Telus, there will be no path connection?
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Old March 5th, 2007, 09:52 PM   #54
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So if any building is built to the West of Telus, there will be no path connection?
Presumably north of Bremner they can connect to either Telus or the Convention Centre.

South of Bremner they would need to link in via Maple Leaf Square.


Once the streetcar line is built they might be able to link over or under it, but for now the links actively avoid crossing Bremner.
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Old March 6th, 2007, 06:38 AM   #55
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Presumably north of Bremner they can connect to either Telus or the Convention Centre.

South of Bremner they would need to link in via Maple Leaf Square.

Once the streetcar line is built they might be able to link over or under it, but for now the links actively avoid crossing Bremner.
I thought I saw somewhere that the ACC-Maple Leaf Square link would be above ground. Weren't there plans to build a wraparound walkway or something? This would eliminate the need to tunnel under Bremner. Once hooked up to Maple Leaf Square, they could then continue back underground to west of York St. and south of Lake Shore.

As for the Telus Tower, isn't there a provision for a western access from Union Station into the back of the Telus? The very least they could hook up to the eastern York St. Teamway once they fix it up. From here they could also hook up to whatever will get built west of York St. Presumably an underground LRT station at York St. would serve as a connector for all four corners of Bremner and York. This is something I'm hoping they can do at the Queens Quay station once the eastern LRT goes through, tying in the Westin with the McClaren McCann building.

Where exactly would the Bremner LRT come out of the ground? It'd make sense to come up west of York as that stub of Bremner is already heavily trafficked when an event lets out. What happens when you throw in an LRT portal into the mix? Side question: would it be feasible/wise to add a station at Lake Shore/ACC on the 509/510 line? 170
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I thought I saw somewhere that the ACC-Maple Leaf Square link would be above ground.
Yes, you're correct. The ACC portion of the path is above ground, primarily to get over Bremner. The streetcar tunnel will likely go under the ACC. I've heard the ACC was built with the tunnel in mind, but that's second hand information. I have not seen blueprints or plans.

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As for the Telus Tower, isn't there a provision for a western access from Union Station into the back of the Telus?
It is quite likely the Telus building may include a knockout wall in that location. The original Union Plaza plan was to use that type of a connection to Union station. Plans right now are for Telus to have a PATH connection to ACC only upon completion. In fact, the cities PATH map shows the expected connection.

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Where exactly would the Bremner LRT come out of the ground?
That would need to be defined as part of an EA. For cost reasons I would expect it to come out on the East side of York. LRT tunnel costs just as much to build as subway tunnel.
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Old March 20th, 2007, 12:41 AM   #57
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I was just checking out the King Stn. access from Commerce Court under Melinda St. Would it be possible to extend the PATH some 50 odd metres to connect with the new Cosmopolitain hotel on Colborne St.? Another 100m and you could get up to the King Eddy hotel. Wouldn't direct subway access be a selling point for these hotels? (The Hotel Victoria could also benefit from access.)
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So if any building is built to the West of Telus, there will be no path connection?
Any building(s) on the north side of Bremner (west of York) can simply tie into the already existing "Teamway", which is a part of PATH.





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Would it be possible to extend the PATH some 50 odd metres to connect with the new Cosmopolitain hotel on Colborne St.? Another 100m and you could get up to the King Eddy hotel. Wouldn't direct subway access be a selling point for these hotels? (The Hotel Victoria could also benefit from access.)

It's "possible" to extend PATH anywhere you want. But we are talking millions, and financially, it is just not feasable to expect these small hotels to be able to do that.





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Old March 22nd, 2007, 11:59 PM   #59
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It's "possible" to extend PATH anywhere you want. But we are talking millions, and financially, it is just not feasable to expect these small hotels to be able to do that.


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When the Cosmo was being built it could've been at least roughed in. I don't think that less than 50 metres of tunnel would amount to millions. Several thousands maybe, but then the City could have seen it as a means of extending the PATH east of Yonge St. at one of the few places where it is possible. I'm sure the 1 King West uses it's access to the PATH as a selling point, why not the Cosmo, and then charge more. It is a boutique hotel after all, who's going to notice? The City's willing to shell out some cash for the northwest extension from Union, why not here?
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 12:53 AM   #60
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I don't think that less than 50 metres of tunnel would amount to millions. Several thousands maybe
Just the permits would cost thousands. LOL

What would be involved just in terms of engineering it would be horendous, before a single shovel went in the ground, or a light fixture purchased.

The only reason 1King has an entrance, is because a simple access was already there (but I bet it still cost a bundle).



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