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Old March 1st, 2007, 05:39 AM   #21
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Yeah driving I-70 east from the airport it is kinda cool.... you can actually see it bout 5-6 miles outside of down town and because I-70 curves around the stadium looks like it moves around in the skyline It is truly amazing how tall this building is! the picture on the first page simply does not do justice...
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Old March 1st, 2007, 06:54 AM   #22
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According to the colts site previously it was 300' tall was this lowered?
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Old March 1st, 2007, 07:49 PM   #23
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First of all, I love the nickname, "The Luke!!" Much better than the acronym "LOS."

Today I had time to kill after my IRTC meeting in Center Grove, so I decided to jump on I-70 and explore the progress of the airport and to see what The Luke looked like coming from the west.

The airport looks great. The structure is definitely identifiable and is huge. Once they start construction on the new Westin Hotel out there, it will be a massive facility.

The Luke is HUGE and dominates from I-70. I was also trying to visualize the JW Marriott. Assuming that the rumors I have heard are correct with regards to height (approx. 400', which is the height of Market Tower), the west side of downtown is really going to change. The skyline will be helped immensely with the new hotel, even though we aren't getting a 600-footer, because there will be nothing around it.

Final thought, it is very impressive driving into Indy from the west along I-70. You first notice 3 cranes at the airport building a brand new terminal and then there is the expansion at FedEx facility. Once you get downtown, you can't help but notice all of the cranes at the Luke and then the other cranes that dot the downtown area from IUPUI over to the Library and there will soon be 2 new ones for the Mass Ave and College Ave condo projects (both 10 stories).
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Old March 1st, 2007, 09:58 PM   #24
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I see it now. Thanks CorrND.

Wouldn't this be a great opportunity for some other projects to go up around it (aside from the hotels)? It seems pretty damn close to downtown - but, like I said, I haven't been in Indy for awhile and don't know whats exactly between DT and LOS.
It is downtown. I'm not being critical of the new stadium--I'm just saying that it's further away, and that little distance is going to make a big difference in the way we experience game day.

I can't be the only one concerned about this...That dingy railroad bridge and long walk are a definite barrier, and even tho the new stadium is only a little further from the existing one, that's a huge difference to all the people who will walk from the downtown hotels to the stadium. I'm just saying there are opportunities for great urban design here--it's just going to be too costly I'm afraid.

The railroad tracks are represented by the blue line.

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Old March 1st, 2007, 11:19 PM   #25
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South Street is hardly a "wide street".

The stadium authority is building an enclosed connector of some sort to link the stadium to the convention center.

There is huge opportunity for development south of the railroad tracks, but I'm hard pressed to think of a decent project done there. The fast food chains are awful. LOS itself is ok, but will be surrounded by acres of parking such that I don't see a lot of feed off the stadium itself. The hotels done in that area have been of the interstate highway variety.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 12:01 AM   #26
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South Street is hardly a "wide street".
Isn't it 2 lanes in both directions? Fine, let's say it's a perfectly narrow street that's just going to be fun to cross--am I the only one who thinks there needs to be a major urban development project at that railroad bridge and South Street? Narrow the street to two lanes...bollards maybe...open up the railroad bridge with arches and small shops...there are things that can be done.

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The stadium authority is building an enclosed connector of some sort to link the stadium to the convention center.
I've seen the plans--pretty unimpressive. They need to open those tracks up with arches or a well designed tunnel. If they don't people aren't going to be walking to the stadium like they walk to the Dome--and Indy will have lost out on something great. There is a great opportunity here, but I don't see ANYONE caring a bit. I don't think people even understand it's a problem yet.

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Let's not forget that the Transit Center will be built at the site of the Post Office. Although it isn't official, it's a pretty safe bet that it will be built there in the near future. There are already plans for TOD to go south of that site and then west to south of the Stadium. There is also the immenent construction of Meridian Overlook at the corner of South and Meridan Streets. Although it isn't a huge project, it will be 3 stories and built to the ROW lines. The fast food restaurants are there for seperate "reasons." White Castle was moved due to the Anthem Campus construction. Arby's because of the Goldsmith administration, and Subway, because Arby's was alllowed. You will notice,though, that Subway is the only one with a zero-lot line and parking in the rear. You're welcome.

Many officials are aware of the issues with the train tracks. You are correct that they pose as obstacles, but they are definitely "known."
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 12:36 AM   #28
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I know the Lilly people were talking about removing the tracks. I'm not sure that's a good idea. Relocating the freight trains to use the Indianapolis Union Belt is a good idea - that frees up the existing lines for passenger service. Those tracks are a huge asset and the city could end up regretting it if it got rid of them. Even if it did remove the rails, the ROW would make a great linear park. NYC is rehabbing the elevated High Line into a parkway instead of just tearing it down.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 01:09 AM   #29
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I drove by part of the roof structure today on my way to work. Sure it could have been going somewhere else but I highly doubt it. The thing was massive, and had escorts, lol.

Kinda odd to be north of fort wayne and see part of Luke's rib cage drive by.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 08:14 AM   #30
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Honestly, I think the parking lots to the east of arbys and subway (to the left in the picture) would make for some amazing modern/post-modern townhomes... or a mid/high-rise building, especially if arbys and subway are going to be torn dow for the condo project moochie mentioned!!
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 08:35 AM   #31
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Moochie, what are they going to do with the parking lot behind arby's? Or do you even know?
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 08:36 AM   #32
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well really subway too?
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 12:23 PM   #33
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The playing surface is some 25' below street level, so it seems as if the entire building was lowered, not just the roof.
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What do they plan to do about street level activity? Shops and restruants would be really nice if they want to extent downtown towards the new stadium.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 06:38 PM   #35
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One problem is that a football stadium is so massive, it requires huge amounts of parking, much more so than basketball. This creates an inherent "physics problem". I believe LOS is scheduled to be surrounded by many surface lots, this will cut off immediate street life in the vicinity.

I wish they had not skewed the building on the site. One of the things that makes Conseco such an incredible arena is the fact that it respects the street grid of the city. It fits right in to the urban fabric. I wish the stadium developers had done the same thing with LOS.

Unlikely Conseco, there are only 8 home games per year in LOS + playoffs and pre-season. I don't think football stadiums are nearly the development catalyst that arenas can be. In fact, stadiums are much more likely to end up as empty black holes in the urban fabric.

The city could ask for more cutting edge architecture, which I've been a proponent of. But, Conseco and LOS both I think have very tasteful designs for what they are. They are far, far better than the hotel mundane. And the red brick, classic Indiana architecture will probably age better than most of the other designs, assuming arena trends don't lead to another quick round of obsolescence.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 08:51 PM   #36
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Feel better now?
lol, slightly, but only slightly. I'm not as optimistic as you regarding future development.
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Yes, there are only a handful of homes games, but the RCA Dome is used often and so will the Luke. Further, the NCAA games and potentially soccer (Indy is bidding on early World Cup rounds and aiming for a MLS team) will be there in addition to all of teh trade shows that will be coming here.
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One problem is that a football stadium is so massive, it requires huge amounts of parking, much more so than basketball. This creates an inherent "physics problem". I believe LOS is scheduled to be surrounded by many surface lots, this will cut off immediate street life in the vicinity.

I wish they had not skewed the building on the site. One of the things that makes Conseco such an incredible arena is the fact that it respects the street grid of the city. It fits right in to the urban fabric. I wish the stadium developers had done the same thing with LOS.

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Cant they just construct large parking garages with street level retail? That would make more sense.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 11:12 PM   #39
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I believe there's a mix of surface and garage parking at LOS. The problem with street level retail for these facilities is that street traffic is purely event driven - for now. I just don't see it as feasible, but at least it would be a good idea to design garages to accomodate future street level retail.

Does anyone actually have a complete site map of the complex?
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