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Old August 15th, 2008, 05:17 PM   #541
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I was just down at LOS today. There are serious, serious problems with the landscape architecture design around the building. It's like they ran out of money or time and just filled it in with whatever cheap thing they could. The design is awful and construction quality worse. Almost every piece of concrete is already severely spalled.
Wow, that's terrible. I'll get a first-hand look tomorrow.
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Old August 15th, 2008, 06:15 PM   #542
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Isn't Cba the lead LA? I hope that this isn't their fault...
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Old August 15th, 2008, 07:07 PM   #543
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I am really going to miss the Dome. It's been an imposing part of our city's skyline for a quarter century and helped jumpstart Downtown into what it is today. Having attended many an event there, it just felt like home.
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Old August 15th, 2008, 07:24 PM   #544
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I am really going to miss the Dome. It's been an imposing part of our city's skyline for a quarter century and helped jumpstart Downtown into what it is today. Having attended many an event there, it just felt like home.
It was strange when MSA was demolished, not having those 2 white domed roofs at each end of downtown. Now with the dome coming down, it will really be weird. Can't wait to see how it opens up the view of downtown traveling east on Washington.
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Old August 15th, 2008, 11:57 PM   #545
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I understand what you mean, and I agree that it should do wonders for downtown(I remember a few of us referring to the area around it as "Lucasville"). I agree that many or most people will be proud of it. Actually, I am a bit too(though that is spoiled by the public financing part of the deal, which I realize is just the only way these things get built anymore). But I think it could have been more, and should have been.

Actually it's odd. People seem to be willing to accept this for a publicly funded $720 million project, but when a private developer wants to put up a 20+ story tower and doesn't nail every detail, you are ALL OVER THEM. Look development is not a perfect game, there is always going to be someone who isn't going to like some development. And there are going to be people who back the silliest projects known to man. I just think that it is only proper that if the taxpaying public is going to fund a project(especially a vast majority of it), then it should expect nothing but the best. And I don't think we did.

But either way, I'm looking forward to getting back to Indy and watching them WHOMP some Pats tail!
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Old August 16th, 2008, 12:42 AM   #546
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It was strange when MSA was demolished, not having those 2 white domed roofs at each end of downtown. Now with the dome coming down, it will really be weird. Can't wait to see how it opens up the view of downtown traveling east on Washington.
For years, I've always had a sense of pride when driving down I-70 and seeing that big, white, pillowy roof dominate in the distance. The Dome means a lot to us Colts fans, in many ways.

But alas, all good things must come to an end, and I'll be even prouder when they take that ****** down for good.
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I was just down at LOS today. There are serious, serious problems with the landscape architecture design around the building. It's like they ran out of money or time and just filled it in with whatever cheap thing they could. The design is awful and construction quality worse. Almost every piece of concrete is already severely spalled.
I won't get to see it until tomorrow, but I do remember them saying on the news that the landscaping won't be finished for a month or two. Could that be part of the problem?
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Old August 16th, 2008, 06:43 AM   #548
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But alas, all good things must come to an end, and I'll be even prouder when they take that ****** down for good.
hahah love it.
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Old August 16th, 2008, 07:25 AM   #549
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i was walking around the site after the fence was down and in a few places around the site, the concrete was walked on before cured.. as well as the spalling, which i did not notice, just don't seem like the type of thing that will be allowed to be left once the project is 100%. the landscape will come in.. i hope. it's gotta get better. right?

although, i wish they would have picked another type of sign for the colts.. the vertical neon makes me think pacers.. and i don't want that reputation for the boys in blue.

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Old August 16th, 2008, 03:10 PM   #550
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Pics from opening gala

Got this off from Coltsfreaks.com. There are plenty more: http://s510.photobucket.com/albums/s...av_album_album





















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Old August 16th, 2008, 03:57 PM   #551
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"Please don't call it the Luke"

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Lucas plea: Don’t call it 'The Luke'
Stadium naming-rights owner says nickname honors rival
Sat. August 16 - 2008
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Some local sports broadcasters, print journalists and Indianapolis Colts fans are giving an unintentional assist to an opponent of one of the team’s biggest corporate allies. Officials for Lucas Oil Products Inc. are imploring fans and media not to refer to the team’s new stadium as The Luke, a nickname that has cropped up on sports talk radio shows and been repeated in print and on TV. The nickname seems to be gaining momentum, and that doesn’t sit well with Lucas brass already playing defense against New Jersey-based Lukoil Co.

California based-Lucas Oil signed a 20-year, $121.5 million naming-rights deal for the Colts’ new stadium. The 63,000-seat retractable-roof venue has been dubbed Lucas Oil Stadium. Part of the value of the deal will be eroded, said Forrest Lucas, a former Indiana trucker who founded Lucas Oil, if the stadium is widely called by another name.

“Calling the stadium The Luke doesn’t sell a dime’s worth of products for us,” Lucas said following a recent inspection of the facility. “This will be a place we intend to show Lucas Oil to the world, so we’re eager to protect the integrity of the name.”

The Luke is the worst possible nickname, Lucas said, because one of his company’s competitors is Russianowned, Lukoil, which is making a big push in North America.

“This is a big deal to us,” Lucas said. “We’d prefer people call it Lucas Oil Stadium, but call it anything but The Luke. What people are doing by calling it that is doing one of my competitors a multimillion-dollar favor.”

Though Lukoil is relatively new to America, its rivalry with Lucas Oil has already become bitter.

Lucas Oil Products filed a trademark infringement lawsuit against Lukoil in June 2006 in a New York federal court. Lukoil countered by accusing Lucas Oil of the very same thing. In a settlement ironed out last summer, Lukoil agreed not to refer to its mascot called “Big Luke,” or simply “Luke,” in the United States. But the company itself is still often referred to as Luk or Luke.

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The Colts are doing what they can to stop their new home venue from acquiring a nickname, particularly one disdained by its name sponsor.

“Forrest Lucas has talked to us about this, and we know it’s important to him,” said Pete Ward, Colts senior executive vice president. “All of our team correspondence refers to the facility as Lucas Oil Stadium; every time we talk about the facility publicly or otherwise, we call it by its proper name. We are doing our best to promote it in every way as Lucas Oil Stadium. And the stadium has five of the biggest neon signs in the state—one on each side and one on the roof—proclaiming it as Lucas Oil Stadium. We’re going to continue to be vigilant and do whatever we can do.”

Neither Colts nor Lucas Oil officials have held formal discussions with local or national broadcasters and journalists about the facility’s name. But Lucas said he’s happy to explain his position to anyone who will listen.

David Morton, president of Sunrise Sports Group, a local sports marketing consultancy, understands Lucas’ position, but doesn’t think trumpeting the issue is a smart move.

“Lucas is not only his company’s name, but his family’s name, and a nickname repositions the brand of his own name and that of his company, so I can see why he’d be sensitive,” Morton said. “But Mr. Lucas should be careful. He doesn’t want to be perceived as the bad guy or as sour grapes.”

Morton suggests Lucas focus on marketing his own company and its association with the new stadium, and less on a corporate rival.

“He has to be careful not to get people thinking about Lukoil,” Morton said. “He wants people thinking about Lucas Oil, not a competitor.”

There was some resistance to calling facilities by their corporate name in the 1980s and early 1990s, as broadcast networks were not keen on giving free on-air exposure to companies who were not advertisers. City officials in the 1990s had several discussions with ESPN, NBC and other NFL broadcasters to get them to refer on air to the RCA Dome by its proper name, not its original name—the Hoosier Dome.

“Most people in sports and broadcasting now understand the importance of these naming-rights dollars, and those types of problems with the national media have largely gone away,” said Mark Rosentraub, former IUPUI dean and a noted sports economist and author of books on sports business issues. “But it’s a different story with fans. That’s much more difficult to control, and a nickname can quickly become ubiquitous.”

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Jacobs Field in Cleveland was nicknamed The Jake, which persisted even after Progressive Corp., an insurance company, bought the naming rights earlier this year. Heinz Field in Pittsburgh has been dubbed The Mustard Palace. In Tampa Bay, the Buccaneers’ former stadium was nicknamed The Big Sombrero, and the team’s new facility, Raymond James Stadium, took on the name The New Sombrero.

And it’s not uncommon for fans to manipulate or shorten a venue’s corporate moniker. The home ballpark of the Chicago White Sox, U.S. Cellular Field, was quickly tabbed “The Cell” by fans and local sportscasters.

“The Luke” started to take root in Indiana earlier this year.

“It’s a label that seems to be spreading pretty fast,” Morton said.

Media references can fan the flames quickly, Rosentraub said, and exposure through the Internet can spread the nickname and entrench it in people’s minds even faster than traditional media.

“Once something like this gets started,” Rosentraub said, “it’s difficult to stop. But this is a strategic and critical investment in this company’s effort to roll its motor oil out to a wider audience. So I’m sure Lucas will do whatever he has to do to protect his investment.”
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Ok, so saying every piece of concrete is bad is an overstatement. But there's a lot of what looks to be low-quality work. Here's a snap that shows spalled and cracked concrete.

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I can't tell if that is part of a side or ceiling. But either way, part of a molding was on that part of the concrete to form it. Apparently, it looks like the workers didn't put any kind of lubericant on the mold. That is why you see the little holes where rocks are suppose to be. But I'm sure they will be going over it again within the next couple weeks. Don't forget, they did say workers will still be on site for the next couple to six months doing the "attention to detail" work.
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Is calling the stadium"The Luke" a bad thing? The people who are not part of the decision making process of corporate America cannot even call something what they want?
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Its not a matter of calling it what we like, any other nickname would be fine, but since one of Lucas Oil's main competitors is LukeOil we are promoting the other brand. Lucas oil payed millions and millions of dollars to have their name repeated when the stadium is mentioned. It's adevertising and it drives sales. If everyone calls it the luke those sales go to their competitor. It would be like everyone calling the RCA dome the sony or panasonic dome.
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What a BABY! Sorry, but it's "The Luke" and until now, I had NEVER heard of Lucoil. His quote that it doesn't sell one of his products is a kick in the face to the TAX PAYERS that sepnt $720 MILLION on this damn thing. We shouldbe able to callit whatever we effing want!
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The taxpayers paid for it right? Did he spend the money 720 for the thing?
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What a BABY! Sorry, but it's "The Luke" and until now, I had NEVER heard of Lucoil. His quote that it doesn't sell one of his products is a kick in the face to the TAX PAYERS that sepnt $720 MILLION on this damn thing. We shouldbe able to callit whatever we effing want!
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Aw, man. This whole time I've been calling it "LOS" or "The Barn" (because it reminds me of a barn and a colt is a young horse).

They should've named it the BP Palace and called it a day (BP for Bart Peterson)
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Lukoil is a gigantic Russian oil company.
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