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Bob · February 28th, 2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Rabbit Slim

..hate to sound pessemistic, but this scheme looks like one that wil hang around for a few years, maybe get approved, then won't get built.....

Sadly you may be right. It could also followed this tried and tested development route;

1.exciting proposal
2.planners like it, but could be a bit radical - all colour removed
3.local campaigners think it's too tall - 15 floors lopped off.
4.'cherished' view of St.Pauls from somewhere none of us have heard of 'ruined forever', i.e. ongar heights conservation point, (incidental story such as dickens ate a crumpet there while on a lovely picnic) - 5 floors removed
5.developer says, "now hang on there, we can't make a profit on that" - tower reconfigured - soaring tower becomes amorphous blob, perhaps overhanging street. Wider pavements, pedestrian elements removed.
6.Council says for such a large development 50% affordable housing and new youth centre have to be included.
7.developer says, "now hang on there, we can't make a profit on that " - developer makes savings on materials, tin replaces polished steel. Environmental parts axed.
8.nasty building follows, all involved parties agree how rubbish modern design is. General agreement also that their view wasn't heard.

lyonsdown · February 28th, 2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NothingBetterToDo

Damn - you beat me to the 80's reference

But to me it looks like some poor music video you'd see back then - when they thought it was oh so cool to mix animated squiggles and shapes with live shots of the band....you get what i mean??

Alexander o'neal or some such crap! Or Knd of Magic by Queen

I was thinking they could have Max Headroom as the concierge.

chrissyb · February 28th, 2007, 05:19 PM

The mans designed a reasonably interesting building than had a laugh at our expense my daubing it in silly stripes.

It isn't serious - unless I'm missing the point.

Can somebody clever help me get my head round this?

I mean I can join in the craic, but they I get a bit lost...

GazKinz · February 28th, 2007, 05:21 PM

I'm definately feeling the 80s vibe, the artwork on the base is reminiscent of some on one of the platforms of Embankment station (could be the Northern line platform), which was done in the 80s.

I don't know what to think, certainly very different, at first I was pretty horrified, but it's grown on me (in the last few hours) with a bit of refinement why not? It will add to that funky Shoreditch/Hoxton vibe.

***ill tonkso*** · February 28th, 2007, 05:29 PM

Either these Wine Gums i am eating are actually alcoholic or their appears to be a rather shitty design there.

Gherkin · February 28th, 2007, 06:23 PM

It's so bad i like it! Infact, I'm getting quite fond of it already

The coloured blocks at the base look truly epic, but the rest of the tower is a bit cut and paste aka Scottish Parliament. And I like that

JDRS · February 28th, 2007, 06:36 PM

The tower bit isn't actually that bad when you look at it but that base is just a complete mess and in the current status it should never get approval. Colour, used right, can look great and is welcome in a city where most of the buildings are grey.

Jamandell (d69) · February 28th, 2007, 07:09 PM

Why!?...Why!?....WHY!?!?!

...do I like this?

For some reason, even though this goes against anything I thought I had in terms of artistic principles...I really really want this to be built.

St. Anger · February 28th, 2007, 07:16 PM

they seriously have to get a move on for this it just looks so ridiculously cool come on and get a developer! and ill personally attack the council if they don't approve it lol

JDRS · February 28th, 2007, 07:43 PM

Just saw this on BBC London in a clip about UNESCO trying to "protect" the Tower of London from tall buildings. I agree with Alsop that allowing tall buildings near the site is good for people, the economy etc. I've always had this image of Alsop as this hippy with long hair but he's nothing like it

Luke · February 28th, 2007, 08:17 PM

I love it! Colourful, unusual and a good height at 151m. Maybe the base could do with a little work.

Mr Bricks · February 28th, 2007, 08:24 PM

wow...I first thought someone had made a render using paint before I realized that it´s for real. I think a building of thins kind stands a 1% chance of getting built.

***wjfox*** · February 28th, 2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nukey

Personally I love it.

1. It has a fun, colourful, informal look.

2. Nice proportions, slim and elegant.

3. Excellent height... 43 storeys, this will really soar.

4. Decent location. This area badly needs some life breathing into it, something colourful and vibrant is needed.

5. I like the base and the lower floors, and how they face onto a busy traffic junction. There's just something funky and dramatic about it. Reminds me of Piccadilly Circus or Times Square, in a way.

5. The public viewing gallery will offer some absolutely jaw-dropping views of the City.

6. Being quite far north, it won't infringe on St Paul's or any other views.

7. The already approved Eagle House is literally next door. Could this be the start of a whole cluster...?

In summary, I honestly can't fault this proposal and I'm totally in favour of it being built.

***wjfox*** · February 28th, 2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SuomiPoika

wow...I first thought someone had made a render using paint before I realized that it´s for real. I think a building of thins kind stands a 1% chance of getting built.

I take it you haven't seen any of Alsop's work before.

Wild@Heart · February 28th, 2007, 09:07 PM

It looks somewhat Spanish to me. That's a good thing by the way. May have a link to the Miro-esque styling on the lower section.

I agree that it's not perfect, but hopefully this is only the first of many renders.

I like it. It's fun.

DarJoLe · February 28th, 2007, 09:30 PM

There's an article in this evening's Evening Standard on this tower (which is remarkably quick for them). It has been dubbed 'the doodle'.

The base above streetlevel doesn't have any windows as this is the storage space area. The artistic cladding is by Bruce McLean.

Eastender · February 28th, 2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wjfox2002

I take it you haven't seen any of Alsop's work before.

we're speaking about a skyscraper here, not a library, a tube station or a ferry terminal ...

there is no chance this will ever get built.

Mr Bricks · February 28th, 2007, 11:06 PM

I think it´s bad. It looks like Dubai x 10. The architect truly ran out of ideas so he just threw in akward colours and weird shapes to make it "special".

koolduct · February 28th, 2007, 11:28 PM

Well, it's weird (the moment I saw it I said WTF to myself) but rather not cheap-looking (which I think most Dubai proposals are). I like the idea of that glass top (top left corner) emerging from the red-black lower part.

potto · February 28th, 2007, 11:29 PM

god we all sounds like a bunch of boring old farts!

Dubai DOES NOT have this edgy flair! Not one bit so please dont compare the two. It is like comparing something produced by a St Martins College student with a slightly wacky top from New Look.

This is hardly an area of historic view points so no need for toning down and the area is so dull save for a single Victorian building and a sudden glimpse of canal along a road that runs through a large slice of London that we should be rejoicing that something so spanking should be proposed. It may date it may be loved it may be listed who knows, but that is the joy of art!

February 28th, 2007, 07:16 PM	#49
St. Anger Insomniatic Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Newcastle-Upon-Tyne Posts: 91 Likes (Received): 0	they seriously have to get a move on for this it just looks so ridiculously cool come on and get a developer! and ill personally attack the council if they don't approve it lol __________________ augmentator@hotmail.com www.myspace.com/scottlewisnufc

February 28th, 2007, 08:17 PM	#51
Luke Blackboard Monitor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: London Posts: 1,303 Likes (Received): 0	I love it! Colourful, unusual and a good height at 151m. Maybe the base could do with a little work. __________________ The latest movie reviews - www.sharemypopcorn.co.uk

February 28th, 2007, 08:24 PM	#52
Mr Bricks Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Helsinki Posts: 5,248 Likes (Received): 28	wow...I first thought someone had made a render using paint before I realized that it´s for real. I think a building of thins kind stands a 1% chance of getting built. __________________ Helsinki http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...516&highlight=

February 28th, 2007, 11:06 PM	#58
Mr Bricks Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Helsinki Posts: 5,248 Likes (Received): 28	I think it´s bad. It looks like Dubai x 10. The architect truly ran out of ideas so he just threw in akward colours and weird shapes to make it "special". __________________ Helsinki http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...516&highlight=

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February 28th, 2007, 05:19 PM	#43
chrissyb Lincoln - London - Greece Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Greece Posts: 600 Likes (Received): 1	The mans designed a reasonably interesting building than had a laugh at our expense my daubing it in silly stripes. It isn't serious - unless I'm missing the point. Can somebody clever help me get my head round this? I mean I can join in the craic, but they I get a bit lost...

February 28th, 2007, 05:21 PM	#44
GazKinz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Camden Town Posts: 2,185 Likes (Received): 0	I'm definately feeling the 80s vibe, the artwork on the base is reminiscent of some on one of the platforms of Embankment station (could be the Northern line platform), which was done in the 80s. I don't know what to think, certainly very different, at first I was pretty horrified, but it's grown on me (in the last few hours) with a bit of refinement why not? It will add to that funky Shoreditch/Hoxton vibe.

February 28th, 2007, 05:29 PM	#45
*ill tonkso* Portsmouths Finest, Maybe Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 14,147 Likes (Received): 219	Either these Wine Gums i am eating are actually alcoholic or their appears to be a rather shitty design there.

February 28th, 2007, 06:23 PM	#46
Gherkin actual gherkin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Leeds Posts: 13,743 Likes (Received): 161	It's so bad i like it! Infact, I'm getting quite fond of it already The coloured blocks at the base look truly epic, but the rest of the tower is a bit cut and paste aka Scottish Parliament. And I like that

February 28th, 2007, 06:36 PM	#47
JDRS Against ID Cards Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Manchester Posts: 9,823 Likes (Received): 0	The tower bit isn't actually that bad when you look at it but that base is just a complete mess and in the current status it should never get approval. Colour, used right, can look great and is welcome in a city where most of the buildings are grey.

February 28th, 2007, 07:09 PM	#48
Jamandell (d69) Rocking at Glasgow Uni Join Date: May 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 2,655 Likes (Received): 8	Why!?...Why!?....WHY!?!?! ...do I like this? For some reason, even though this goes against anything I thought I had in terms of artistic principles...I really really want this to be built.

February 28th, 2007, 07:43 PM	#50
JDRS Against ID Cards Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Manchester Posts: 9,823 Likes (Received): 0	Just saw this on BBC London in a clip about UNESCO trying to "protect" the Tower of London from tall buildings. I agree with Alsop that allowing tall buildings near the site is good for people, the economy etc. I've always had this image of Alsop as this hippy with long hair but he's nothing like it

February 28th, 2007, 09:07 PM	#55
Wild@Heart Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: SE London Posts: 459 Likes (Received): 1	It looks somewhat Spanish to me. That's a good thing by the way. May have a link to the Miro-esque styling on the lower section. I agree that it's not perfect, but hopefully this is only the first of many renders. I like it. It's fun.

February 28th, 2007, 09:30 PM	#56
DarJoLe Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 15,675 Likes (Received): 399	There's an article in this evening's Evening Standard on this tower (which is remarkably quick for them). It has been dubbed 'the doodle'. The base above streetlevel doesn't have any windows as this is the storage space area. The artistic cladding is by Bruce McLean.

February 28th, 2007, 11:28 PM	#59
koolduct Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 156 Likes (Received): 20	Well, it's weird (the moment I saw it I said WTF to myself) but rather not cheap-looking (which I think most Dubai proposals are). I like the idea of that glass top (top left corner) emerging from the red-black lower part.

February 28th, 2007, 11:29 PM	#60
potto Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 13,515 Likes (Received): 258	god we all sounds like a bunch of boring old farts! Dubai DOES NOT have this edgy flair! Not one bit so please dont compare the two. It is like comparing something produced by a St Martins College student with a slightly wacky top from New Look. This is hardly an area of historic view points so no need for toning down and the area is so dull save for a single Victorian building and a sudden glimpse of canal along a road that runs through a large slice of London that we should be rejoicing that something so spanking should be proposed. It may date it may be loved it may be listed who knows, but that is the joy of art!