PROJECTS [Green Square & Victoria Park] - Page 28

Brizer · January 22nd, 2008, 07:33 AM

Zelly, you should have received a notice from the City of Sydney in the mail yesterday about this. As they are contacting locals and Cul spotted it a month ago, it should be on the CofS Development site quite soon. Xmas etc seems to have slowed the processing of the application up a bit, of course.
I'm hanging out for the the tower on O'Dea/Sth Dowling and the next DA for Lot 205 here at Vic Park.

Brizer · January 23rd, 2008, 03:24 AM

Wed: it's there today, but it's a Stage 1 DA so not final design. Suspect they'll be pushing their luck with the huge increase in units over the 2005 approved development. Architect is still Stanisic which is good, but it will depend on how much Meriton interferes with the design and materials, etc, once approval is achieved. The folk at the southern end of Victoria Park are going to be pissed and rather wondering whether they should have been so stroppy & nitpicking about the early design proposal which didn't go above 8 storeys with all the other buildings lower than those now proposed.

Zelly · January 23rd, 2008, 06:39 AM

Just out of interest, what was the original number of units? I've noticed Building A is no longer commercial, would that be the extra number of units?

MILIUX · January 23rd, 2008, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Saito

I might be in the minority but I actually prefer the "walls" over mixed heights/gaps/open spaces. The wall gives you a CBD feel at the street level which I'm fond of.

So I prefer "10 storey + 10 storey + 10storey" combination rather than "25 storey + 5 storey + park".

Yeah, i like the wall effect. There is no need to look upwards in places like Green Square precinct. Density is the key.

Brizer · January 23rd, 2008, 11:09 PM

114 Joynton: original DA for 300 units + 1 office building; latest DA 380+/- (depending on option) all residential.

CULWULLA · January 29th, 2008, 05:28 AM

model
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Brizer · January 29th, 2008, 09:26 AM

Thank you, Cul.
Model is of Option A.

Brizer · February 4th, 2008, 11:13 PM

Almost 8 weeks since Cul broke the news about the 25+/- 84.5m tower on the NW corner of O'Dea/SthDowling in Waterloo: still no DA on DEVELOPMENT site -backup over Xmas-New Year?

CULWULLA · February 5th, 2008, 01:50 PM

^its been quiet but all starts up this week with CSPC and council meetings.
I did see more models in the vic park area but they were scale 1;1000 and we rejected them. ha.
it says on DA requirments, models have to be 1;500.and they can have others if they want.
the models seem to have eastern dist running down its length, so its those blocks south of cardy site.
ill try get pic tommorrow

CULWULLA · February 6th, 2008, 02:00 AM

briz, have i posted these before?
the closest tower is approx 12st/50m- Link road. Rosebury
the other is 12st/40m cnr epsom rd & Dalmeny Ave

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overall view
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the post-it explains adress. but not sure what the DA is for?.
image hosted on flickr

Brizer · February 6th, 2008, 02:41 AM

Thanks, Cul.
Pics 1 & 2 are of the so-called "Dolina Site" that has been going back and forth for years and originally proposed a 30 storey tower on the Link Road, triangular site; the tower has gradually shrunk over the years as CSPC has knocked back each proposal. Last time the development was identified as DA 2005/1340. The post-it on the top of the case in pic 3 shows a new DA: 2008/102. I checked it and it is for the Dolina Site and is "being assessed" - has an indicated cost of $233m!!
Pic 3 is puzzling as it is of the superceded block model of Victoria Park of some years ago so I'm not sure why it is back in the picture or why it has the post-it on it. It doesn't show the updated designs for Lot 205 and the Audi HQ on the NE corner of Lot 206, nor the one for Lot 303. The Dolina 67-77 Epsom development is south of this area.
Thank you again.

CULWULLA · February 6th, 2008, 04:17 AM

i think the old model is to be picked up. the most recent has to be redone to larger scale.
maybe that explains it.
cheers

Brizer · February 6th, 2008, 06:16 AM

Oh, OK, tah.

Fabian · February 6th, 2008, 10:51 PM

I like the Link Rd development. The park in the middle is lovely. Good focal point for the development.

Cul, do you know what is happening in regards to the proposed Hillsong Church and office building in Waterloo?

Brizer · February 6th, 2008, 11:18 PM

There is a big local uprising against it, Fabian, and as a result, there is a community meeting hosted by Clover, scheduled before the CSPC meeting which is provisionally set for next thurs 14th. I can't remember the exact details as I threw the flyer from City of Sydney away. The CSPC is apparently scheduled to consider the Hillsong development at the thurs meeting: details are not yet up on the C of S Meetings website.
Incidentally, the development is in Rosebery.
Taken in isolation, the design looks quite good to me, but having seen the self-righteous lack of consideration for locals shown by Hillsong in Danks/Young streets, Waterloo, I have serious reservations about the behaviour of those set to inhabit the new buildings.

CULWULLA · February 6th, 2008, 11:29 PM

yes, hillsong and others are up tonight. also com bank at martin place is going up/

LanceDriver · February 7th, 2008, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brizer

There is a big local uprising against it, Fabian, and as a result, there is a community meeting hosted by Clover, scheduled before the CSPC meeting which is provisionally set for next thurs 14th. I can't remember the exact details as I threw the flyer from City of Sydney away. The CSPC is apparently scheduled to consider the Hillsong development at the thurs meeting: details are not yet up on the C of S Meetings website.
Incidentally, the development is in Rosebery.
Taken in isolation, the design looks quite good to me, but having seen the self-righteous lack of consideration for locals shown by Hillsong in Danks/Young streets, Waterloo, I have serious reservations about the behaviour of those set to inhabit the new buildings.

...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cariad

Some articles here of interest ..... Hillsong Church, Waterloo Incineratot, Rachel Forster Hospital etc.

http://www.southsydneyherald.com.au/...H_FEB%2008.pdf

Fabian · February 7th, 2008, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brizer

There is a big local uprising against it, Fabian, and as a result, there is a community meeting hosted by Clover, scheduled before the CSPC meeting which is provisionally set for next thurs 14th. I can't remember the exact details as I threw the flyer from City of Sydney away. The CSPC is apparently scheduled to consider the Hillsong development at the thurs meeting: details are not yet up on the C of S Meetings website.
Incidentally, the development is in Rosebery.
Taken in isolation, the design looks quite good to me, but having seen the self-righteous lack of consideration for locals shown by Hillsong in Danks/Young streets, Waterloo, I have serious reservations about the behaviour of those set to inhabit the new buildings.

I have been reading of opposition in regards to the development because of traffic concerns, but isn't it proposed for what has been a traditionally industrial area.

It's hard these days to get any religious buildings up in the city, because the locals will find reasons to object to it.

This church is different to others, because it's more an entertainment centre than an actual church, given Hillsong Churches can accomodate thousands of churchgoers each weekend.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CULWULLA

yes, hillsong and others are up tonight. also com bank at martin place is going up/

Very star studded lineup tonight.

Brizer · February 7th, 2008, 05:45 AM

Yes, the stated concerns are about traffic and the ability of local streets, therefore, local residents, to cope with the influx of so many people on Rothchild Avenue and feeder roads: Epsom, Botany, Joynton, etc. There is also considerable antipathy to Hillsong as it does not have a good reputation in the area: see above. The site is former industrial and there are industrial buildings west and north but there are also increasing numbers of apartments, eg, Artise, as well as the old established residential area of Rosebery to the south and east.

GaryinSydney · February 8th, 2008, 02:15 AM

As i've stated before, i live in Artise and the residents are livid that this proposal will of course be going through, no doubt with further amendments to size and sound-proofing.
The point is that its flock are NOT locals, but bused-in Westies.

Its so disgusting that bigoted "religious" (aka God will make you rich and gimme 10% tything) hate-mongerers are allowed tax-free status which then allows them to have so much $$ to splash out.

Apparently the local MP, Christina Kenneally is also a Hillsong member?

I am just so angry that such religious nutters have such political influence in Australia.

January 23rd, 2008, 03:24 AM	#542
Brizer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,030 Likes (Received): 166	Wed: it's there today, but it's a Stage 1 DA so not final design. Suspect they'll be pushing their luck with the huge increase in units over the 2005 approved development. Architect is still Stanisic which is good, but it will depend on how much Meriton interferes with the design and materials, etc, once approval is achieved. The folk at the southern end of Victoria Park are going to be pissed and rather wondering whether they should have been so stroppy & nitpicking about the early design proposal which didn't go above 8 storeys with all the other buildings lower than those now proposed. Last edited by Brizer; January 23rd, 2008 at 03:25 AM. Reason: sp!

January 29th, 2008, 05:28 AM	#546
CULWULLA Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 46,860 Likes (Received): 54	model image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr __________________ Sydney Harbour Bridge -1932, Sydney Opera House- 1973, Sydney Tower- 1981, Crown Hotel- 2015..

February 4th, 2008, 11:13 PM	#548
Brizer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,030 Likes (Received): 166	Almost 8 weeks since Cul broke the news about the 25+/- 84.5m tower on the NW corner of O'Dea/SthDowling in Waterloo: still no DA on DEVELOPMENT site -backup over Xmas-New Year? Last edited by Brizer; February 4th, 2008 at 11:15 PM. Reason: muddy sense

February 5th, 2008, 01:50 PM	#549
CULWULLA Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 46,860 Likes (Received): 54	^its been quiet but all starts up this week with CSPC and council meetings. I did see more models in the vic park area but they were scale 1;1000 and we rejected them. ha. it says on DA requirments, models have to be 1;500.and they can have others if they want. the models seem to have eastern dist running down its length, so its those blocks south of cardy site. ill try get pic tommorrow __________________ Sydney Harbour Bridge -1932, Sydney Opera House- 1973, Sydney Tower- 1981, Crown Hotel- 2015..

February 6th, 2008, 02:00 AM	#550
CULWULLA Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 46,860 Likes (Received): 54	briz, have i posted these before? the closest tower is approx 12st/50m- Link road. Rosebury the other is 12st/40m cnr epsom rd & Dalmeny Ave image hosted on flickr overall view image hosted on flickr the post-it explains adress. but not sure what the DA is for?. image hosted on flickr __________________ Sydney Harbour Bridge -1932, Sydney Opera House- 1973, Sydney Tower- 1981, Crown Hotel- 2015..

January 22nd, 2008, 07:33 AM	#541
Brizer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,030 Likes (Received): 166	Zelly, you should have received a notice from the City of Sydney in the mail yesterday about this. As they are contacting locals and Cul spotted it a month ago, it should be on the CofS Development site quite soon. Xmas etc seems to have slowed the processing of the application up a bit, of course. I'm hanging out for the the tower on O'Dea/Sth Dowling and the next DA for Lot 205 here at Vic Park.

January 23rd, 2008, 06:39 AM	#543
Zelly Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 20 Likes (Received): 0	Just out of interest, what was the original number of units? I've noticed Building A is no longer commercial, would that be the extra number of units?

January 23rd, 2008, 11:09 PM	#545
Brizer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,030 Likes (Received): 166	114 Joynton: original DA for 300 units + 1 office building; latest DA 380+/- (depending on option) all residential.

January 29th, 2008, 09:26 AM	#547
Brizer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,030 Likes (Received): 166	Thank you, Cul. Model is of Option A.

February 6th, 2008, 02:41 AM	#551
Brizer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,030 Likes (Received): 166	Thanks, Cul. Pics 1 & 2 are of the so-called "Dolina Site" that has been going back and forth for years and originally proposed a 30 storey tower on the Link Road, triangular site; the tower has gradually shrunk over the years as CSPC has knocked back each proposal. Last time the development was identified as DA 2005/1340. The post-it on the top of the case in pic 3 shows a new DA: 2008/102. I checked it and it is for the Dolina Site and is "being assessed" - has an indicated cost of $233m!! Pic 3 is puzzling as it is of the superceded block model of Victoria Park of some years ago so I'm not sure why it is back in the picture or why it has the post-it on it. It doesn't show the updated designs for Lot 205 and the Audi HQ on the NE corner of Lot 206, nor the one for Lot 303. The Dolina 67-77 Epsom development is south of this area. Thank you again. Last edited by Brizer; February 6th, 2008 at 02:46 AM. Reason: addition

February 6th, 2008, 04:17 AM	#552
CULWULLA Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 46,860 Likes (Received): 54	i think the old model is to be picked up. the most recent has to be redone to larger scale. maybe that explains it. cheers __________________ Sydney Harbour Bridge -1932, Sydney Opera House- 1973, Sydney Tower- 1981, Crown Hotel- 2015..

February 6th, 2008, 06:16 AM	#553
Brizer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,030 Likes (Received): 166	Oh, OK, tah.

February 6th, 2008, 10:51 PM	#554
Fabian Sydney: World's best city Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 30,009 Likes (Received): 138	I like the Link Rd development. The park in the middle is lovely. Good focal point for the development. Cul, do you know what is happening in regards to the proposed Hillsong Church and office building in Waterloo? __________________ 'Cityrail recommends that you and your family travel by bus' - Cityrail

February 6th, 2008, 11:18 PM	#555
Brizer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,030 Likes (Received): 166	There is a big local uprising against it, Fabian, and as a result, there is a community meeting hosted by Clover, scheduled before the CSPC meeting which is provisionally set for next thurs 14th. I can't remember the exact details as I threw the flyer from City of Sydney away. The CSPC is apparently scheduled to consider the Hillsong development at the thurs meeting: details are not yet up on the C of S Meetings website. Incidentally, the development is in Rosebery. Taken in isolation, the design looks quite good to me, but having seen the self-righteous lack of consideration for locals shown by Hillsong in Danks/Young streets, Waterloo, I have serious reservations about the behaviour of those set to inhabit the new buildings. Last edited by Brizer; February 6th, 2008 at 11:21 PM. Reason: xtra forts

February 6th, 2008, 11:29 PM	#556
CULWULLA Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 46,860 Likes (Received): 54	yes, hillsong and others are up tonight. also com bank at martin place is going up/ __________________ Sydney Harbour Bridge -1932, Sydney Opera House- 1973, Sydney Tower- 1981, Crown Hotel- 2015..

February 7th, 2008, 05:45 AM	#559
Brizer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,030 Likes (Received): 166	Yes, the stated concerns are about traffic and the ability of local streets, therefore, local residents, to cope with the influx of so many people on Rothchild Avenue and feeder roads: Epsom, Botany, Joynton, etc. There is also considerable antipathy to Hillsong as it does not have a good reputation in the area: see above. The site is former industrial and there are industrial buildings west and north but there are also increasing numbers of apartments, eg, Artise, as well as the old established residential area of Rosebery to the south and east.

February 8th, 2008, 02:15 AM	#560
GaryinSydney Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sydney Posts: 984 Likes (Received): 53	As i've stated before, i live in Artise and the residents are livid that this proposal will of course be going through, no doubt with further amendments to size and sound-proofing. The point is that its flock are NOT locals, but bused-in Westies. Its so disgusting that bigoted "religious" (aka God will make you rich and gimme 10% tything) hate-mongerers are allowed tax-free status which then allows them to have so much $$ to splash out. Apparently the local MP, Christina Kenneally is also a Hillsong member? I am just so angry that such religious nutters have such political influence in Australia.

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