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Old February 28th, 2007, 11:11 AM   #1
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[Budapest] Metro 4

Metro 4 will connect southwest Budapest (Buda) to northeastern Budapest (Pest). The first section between Kelenföldi Railway Station and Eastern Railway Station, with a length of 7,5 km, is due to be completed in 2009, comprising 10 stations. The second section (with four stations) between Eastern Railway Station and Bosnyák Square, with a length of 3 km, is to be completed in 2010.



Kelenföldi Railway Station




Tétényi Road






Bocskai Road


Móricz Zsigmond Square




Szent Gellért Square







Fővám Square




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Rákóczi Square





Népszínház Steet






Keleti Railway Station






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Old February 28th, 2007, 12:32 PM   #2
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4-es metró helyett villamos?
2007. február 28. 11:07

Meg kellene fontolni, hogy a Baross tér és a Bosnyák tér között villamossal váltsák ki a 4-es metrót - veti fel a projekt költségeinek "drasztikus" növekedésével érvelve az MTI-hez szerdán eljuttatott közleményében Bagdy Gábor, a Kereszténydemokrata Néppárt (KDNP) fővárosi frakcióvezetője.

A politikus szerint, ha részben villamossal váltanák ki a metrót, az első ütemet Gazdagrétig meg lehetne hosszabbítani, ezzel pedig "százezrek számára tennék könnyebbé a budapesti tömegközlekedésre való rácsatlakozást".

"Napjainkra egyértelművé vált, hogy a 4-es metró később és drágábban épül meg minden eddigi számításnál" – áll közleményben, amely szerint a DBR Metróprojekt igazgatóságának vezetője is elismerte, hogy többhónapos késésre kell számítani.

Megemlíti azt is: míg az 1998-as indulásnál 135 milliárd forintnyi költséggel számoltak, addig a jelenleg hatályos metrótörvény már 264 milliárd forintban határozza meg a költségeket a kapcsolódó beruházások nélkül, hozzátéve, "ma már a projektcég adatai alapján a költség 470 milliárd forint körül várható. Ez a főváros teljes évi költségvetésével egyenlő értékű". (MTI)
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Old February 28th, 2007, 04:28 PM   #3
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Wow, that's pretty cool project man!

I see many daring constructions on pics, e.g. this one:


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Old March 1st, 2007, 08:48 PM   #4
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Old March 1st, 2007, 08:57 PM   #5
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well done, interesting pics
btw...Danube looks huge

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Old March 1st, 2007, 09:49 PM   #6
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Thank You for these great photos nike7!!!
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Old March 1st, 2007, 09:54 PM   #7
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Wow, that's really cool. Do someone know total costs of this line? BTW I'm surprised it's already u/c, I thought it's only in planning phase. You should definitely informed us more about constructions going on in Budapest and Hungary guys.
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Old March 1st, 2007, 09:59 PM   #8
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Horrible... There are lots of problems with the project already... Blueprints are way too old. Budapest today would need a longer subway in both directions. The costs of the development today is around 500 billion HUF... 1,96 billion Euros/2,59 billion USD/52,8 billion CZK/64,35 billion SKK

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Old March 1st, 2007, 10:07 PM   #9
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Budapest today would need a longer subway in both directions.
i totally agree...
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Old March 1st, 2007, 10:20 PM   #10
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2 billion EUR...that's a lot of money, that says something about Budapest economic power.
There are 40 stations in Budapest which is not much considering how big and populated is Budapest so no wonder Budapest is going to built many new stations. I hope you will informed us about it here, e.g. M5 line is also in preparation as I've just read on wiki.
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Old March 1st, 2007, 10:29 PM   #11
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2 billion EUR...that's a lot of money, that says something about Budapest economic power.
There are 40 stations in Budapest which is not much considering how big and populated is Budapest so no wonder Budapest is going to built many new stations. I hope you will informed us about it here, e.g. M5 line is also in preparation as I've just read on wiki.
I'm not a big fan of this metro project, but I'll (too) do my best in the future...

Budapest needs new metro lines, to improve its transit system, but not under today's circumstances...
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Old March 1st, 2007, 10:42 PM   #12
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A nagyon távlati M5

Az ötös metró elméletileg a Szentendrei HÉV és a Ráckevei HÉV (+ Csepeli HÉV) összekötéséből jönne létre. Ez azt jelenti, hogy egy újabb metró szelné át a belvárost. Érintené a Margitszigetet is. Jövője kérdéses mert mindig csak nő az ára. Először 400 milliárd forint, aztán 600 most meg már 800 milliárdról cikkeznek. Kétségtelenül hasznos lenne egy ilyen regionális gyorsvasút-metró, de ez nagyon sok pénz!
Egy térkép itt.
Nagyon érdekes állomások lennének mindenesetre.
Továbbá érdekes szerelvények közlekednének. A belváros alatt példáúl nagyn nagy lenne a járatsűrüség a sok késöbbi elágazás miatt. Továbbá a szerelvények az utasmennyiségre tekintettel pedig elég hosszúak lennének. Elképzelhetőnek tartom a 8 kocsis elrendezést is. Lehetséges. Moszkvában is van több ilyen vonal. Ez azt jelenti, hogy szép hosszú állomások lennének.

Állomások a legutóbbi tervek szerint:

Szentendre
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Békásmegyer
Petőfi tér
Csillaghegy
Rómaifürdő
Aquincum
(valahol itt a becsatlakozó Esztergomi vasútvonal
Záhony utca
Kaszásdülő
Bogdáni út
Flórián tér
Amfiteátrum
Szépvölgyi út
Margit-sziget - Szent István park (ez azt jelentené, hogy az állomás egyik kijárata a Margit-szigeten lenne, a másik meg Pesten, tehát az állomás teljesen a Duna alatt lenne. Talán csinálnának egy gyalogos átjárót a szigetre, jó ötlet lenne.)
Lehel tér (M3)
Oktogon (M1)
Klauzál tér
Astoria (M2)
Kálvin tér (M3, M4)
Boráros tér
Könyves Kálmán körút
(elágazás a Csepel-szigetre; tehát a Csepeli HÉV is be lenne kötve a metróba)
Beöthy u.
Kén u.
Timót u.
Határ út
Erzsébet-városközpont
Nagysándor J. u.
Klapka Gy. u.
Wesselényi u.
Vörösmarty tér
Könyves u.
(Innentől pedig egy szérnyvonal a BILK-hez (?); és egy szárnyvonal a Ráckevei HÉV vonalán)



Briefly in english...

Metro 5 will/would connect two or three HÉV lines (like the RER lines in Paris). The northern HÉV rail going to Szentendre (I live here! ) and the southern connecting Budapest with Ráckeve and perhaps the HÉV line to Csepel. As You can see Metro 5 is planned to be pretty long. This is why the cost of the development on today's prises are mentioned around 400-600 and even 800 billion Forints (2-3,1 and even 4,14 billion USD)... Huge...
The stations are interesting aswell. My favorit is the one located on the Margit-Island...

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Old March 1st, 2007, 10:44 PM   #13
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Hi, nice pics, great website metros.hu and interessant project of Budepest's metro. When is planned open of 4th line?
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What is the problem with the line actually? I see only nice modern stations on the renderings.
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Old March 1st, 2007, 11:04 PM   #15
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What is the problem with the line actually? I see only nice modern stations on the renderings.
I'll be back in hour. Explain it then!
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 12:00 AM   #16
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I think the english version of the www.metro4.hu site is pretty good, you'll find interesting information.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 12:32 AM   #17
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The opposition of the 4th Metro line bring up some absorbing facts as an argument.

First of all, the 4th Metro line was planned in the 1970s. No perceptible changes have been mad since then. Of course the the technical realizations will be made on the 21st century's level, but since the 1970s Budapest has changed a lot. Urbanization becam suburbanization. And the people the Metro was planned for are no longer there. Budapest's main problem is that it cant handle properly the commuting of people from the suberbs to work. And a downtown metro like this one wont help even a little... Espescially when exactly above the metro line there is a very good tram (47-49) line, that handles the public very well.
I'm not aganst this project, but I think it would have been lot wiser if someone powerfull enough to carry through changes, would have thougth the whole thing over again.
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Qtya, I see what you're saying... but in Poland I always get annoyed when people endlessly debate whether the highway or subway should go here, or maybe there, or still elsewhere. The American saying, "Build it and they will come" seems to have some relevance, too. In other words, the no. 4 subway will revitalize a lot of areas, bring in new investment into the city...

I'm also surprised that this line will not help the commuters. What about all those people who get off at Keleti and Kelenfold from the suburban lines? And suburbanization itself is just a stage, in ten-twenty years people will be bored with the suburbs, they will come back to the city.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 04:08 PM   #20
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I like your metro, looks really great!!!
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