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Old March 5th, 2015, 10:27 PM   #81
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20bil roubles for Moscow to Kazan, while 50 bil $ was needed in Sochi
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Old March 5th, 2015, 10:48 PM   #82
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When it comes to rail gauge, Russians are ****. It is a military decision. They will never change that.
Sure. And a small number of high speed passenger trains with variable gauge are not a threat. Masses of equipment on freight trains, or common soldiers in cattle cars, would still need reloading.
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Old March 6th, 2015, 02:32 AM   #83
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20bil roubles for Moscow to Kazan, while 50 bil $ was needed in Sochi
For design only
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Old March 17th, 2015, 07:12 PM   #84
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Moscow - Kazan high speed line tenders called
17 Mar 2015



RUSSIA: On March 16 Russian Railways called tenders for a contract to undertake surveys, project development and route planning for the proposed 770 km Moscow – Kazan dedicated high speed line. The deadline for submissions is April 16, and the maximum price is set at 20·79bn roubles plus VAT.

The proposed line would have 15 stations, serving locations including Vladimir, Nizhny Novgorod and Cheboksary. The Moscow – Kazan journey time would be 3½ h, and initial ridership is estimated at 10·5 million passengers/year. In the longer term the route could be extended to Yekaterinburg.

RZD said the line would be the largest current infrastructure project in Russia, and would be implemented through a public-private partnership

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Old March 17th, 2015, 08:24 PM   #85
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Sure. And a small number of high speed passenger trains with variable gauge are not a threat. Masses of equipment on freight trains, or common soldiers in cattle cars, would still need reloading.
Regardless of the guage it would be a fool's errand.
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Old March 18th, 2015, 12:53 PM   #86
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I sense the Chinese in this.
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I sense the Chinese in this.
EU companies for sure won't be making any money.
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The tender is only "to undertake surveys, project development and route planning".
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The tender is only "to undertake surveys, project development and route planning".
I can read, thanks.
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Old March 19th, 2015, 03:14 PM   #90
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About our earlier comments about the width of Russia, the truth is that know the reasons, but in Spain always spoke, too, of military reasons but we know it was not. The Subercasse report (the origin of the wide) was made by civil engineers without experience in railroads and based on outdated French books.
Also, if you do not want to invade you better put a narrow gauge: the Germans changed the width to 28.700 km came down the USSR. Now would be much more difficult.

At first there were different widths in all countries according to the interests of each company. In USA changed wide 20,800 km on June 1, 1886, in the UK there was a call: "War of the widths" until 1845. Baden German Engineers proposed a 1,500 mm width and 2,100 after, since higher boiler consumes relatively less fuel. At the end, the Mannheim-Heidelberg line was inaugurated in 1840 with 1,600 mm width and changed in 1855.
In Portugal began with standard width, but the company went bankrupt and was awarded by the Marqués de Salamanca, which changed its width by one similar to Spanish: 1,665.
Most countries adopted the standard width due to the Berne Conference in 1907.

Sources and much more on the topic in this index on posts SSC (in Spanish). If there are any comments, best in the Thread of gauges.
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About our earlier comments about the width of Russia, the truth is that know the reasons, but in Spain always spoke, too, of military reasons but we know it was not. The Subercasse report (the origin of the wide) was made by civil engineers without experience in railroads and based on outdated French books.
Also, if you do not want to invade you better put a narrow gauge: the Germans changed the width to 28.700 km came down the USSR. Now would be much more difficult.

At first there were different widths in all countries according to the interests of each company. In USA changed wide 20,800 km on June 1, 1886, in the UK there was a call: "War of the widths" until 1845. Baden German Engineers proposed a 1,500 mm width and 2,100 after, since higher boiler consumes relatively less fuel. At the end, the Mannheim-Heidelberg line was inaugurated in 1840 with 1,600 mm width and changed in 1855.
In Portugal began with standard width, but the company went bankrupt and was awarded by the Marqués de Salamanca, which changed its width by one similar to Spanish: 1,665.
Most countries adopted the standard width due to the Berne Conference in 1907.

Sources and much more on the topic in this index on posts SSC (in Spanish). If there are any comments, best in the Thread of gauges.
The Chinese don't use a narrow guage can we infer from that they don't mid being invaded?
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Old March 20th, 2015, 10:30 AM   #92
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The Chinese don't use a narrow guage can we infer from that they don't mid being invaded?
Um. They do. Hanoi-Kunming, 1000 mm gauge.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 09:01 PM   #93
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And like the case in Thailand China may persuade the Russians to do HSR lines in 1435mm.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 09:44 PM   #94
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And like the case in Thailand China may persuade the Russians to do HSR lines in 1435mm.
Thailand has technical problems achieving high speed on 1000 mm. Russia can achieve high speed on 1520 mm - less reason to accept a different gauge.
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Old March 30th, 2015, 04:27 PM   #95
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China may invest $5.2bn in Russia’s first high speed railway
http://rt.com/business/245125-china-...-russia-train/

Beijing is interested in funding Russia’s first high-speed rail line between Moscow and Kazan. China would invest a total of $5.2 billion (300 billion rubles) in the project.

The bulk of the investment, $4.3 billion at current exchange rates (250 billion rubles) will come in the form of 20-year loans from Chinese banks, and the other $860 million would come as an equity payment from the Chinese company in charge of the project, RIA Novosti reported Sunday, citing sources familiar with the proposal.

Train travel from Moscow to Kazan, the capital of the Tatarstan republic, will be shorted to just 3 and a half hours instead of the more than 14 hours it takes now. The train will be able to reach speeds of 400 kilometers per hour. It will also reduce the travel time between Kazan and Nizhny Novgorod, Russia’s third largest city, to just ninety minutes from the more than 10 and a half hours it currently takes.

The plan was developed to better link mid-size Russian cities by improving transport, and therefore the mobility, of people.

China has embarked on an ambitious program to expand its rail connections, with plans to lay thousands of miles of new track in the coming years.

The world’s fastest passenger train is also in China, the Shanghai Maglev Train can reach speeds of over 430 kilometers per hour.

Next stop, China?
In addition to Kazan, the TranSiberian railway already connects Beijing and other Chinese cities with Russia and Europe, and the Chinese reportedly recently proposed an idea to build a 2-day train from Moscow to Beijing via Kazakhstan.

“Chinese investors are willing to invest in the high-speed rail project between Moscow and Kazan, and Chinese builders can offer the most advanced high-speed railway technology. They are waiting for a decision from the Russian government,” a representative from the High Speed Rail Lines, a subsidiary of Russian Railways, said at the meeting in Sochi.

According to the representative, the Moscow-Kazan project isn’t just an investment for China, but a means to improve communication and trade with Russia and Europe.

Russian Railways is also considering a transport corridor that would link eastern Russia with the United states, via Alaska. This project has long been discussed and is called the Trans-Eurasian Belt Development high-speed link, but no official details have been released by the Russian transport giant.

In October 2014 Russia and China signed a memorandum of understanding over a high-speed railway connection.
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Old April 26th, 2015, 06:33 PM   #96
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The 4 Talgo no locomotive trains that will enter service between Moscow and Nizhny Novgorod were scheduled for December 2014 in the Moscow-Kiev route.

They are of type T 9, Russian fixed width, fulfilling its GOST standards and requirements for very low temperatures, have cost (on average, with the Moscow-Berlin scheduled for December) 19,29 M € and are 20 trailers mixed branches (seats / beds): 2 First class, 9 Tourist, 5 Beds, Restaurant, Cofee and 2 Generators with 414 seats. I do not get to know if they are wide box, as the second series going for Kazakhstan (for gauge will not be...).

They replace the Velaro Rus (Sapsan) of 604 seats that will, I imagine, to extend the Moscow-Saint Petersburg route. The Velaro Rus are 8 trains, although they have yet to receive other 8 since 2014.

3 h 35 m journey improve current 3h 50m from the Velaro, reaching an average of 128 km/h which will be folded (up to 244) with LAV concession is being studied.
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The train will be able to reach speeds of 400 kilometers per hour.
This got to be some sort of mistake.
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Old April 29th, 2015, 12:25 AM   #98
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This got to be some sort of mistake.
Never say never ;p They may have implied the test speed hence the speed train set can reach or smt. We all know CRH380 series tested well above 400km/h without any modifications.
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It is unserious comment articles newspaper.
3 hours 30 minutes Moscow-Kazan are provided in a suitable line to 350 km/h, we'll see if performed, and represent an average of 229 km/h, not too high for an authentic HSL. To approve 350 circulates lack of a sustained at 385 km/h.
The Velaro Spaniards broke the world speed record in 2006-2010 (404 km/h) with simple software changes in a production vehicle. The record of Alstom's TGV is a complete assembly: larger wheels, trailers traction, 19.6 MW, 31 kV ...
Instead the CRH380A to themselves were certified at that speed.
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Siemens interested in Moscow-Kazan high-speed railway project
http://tass.ru/en/economy/792203

SAINT PETERSBURG, April 28. /TASS/. Siemens is interested in the development project of the Moscow-Kazan high-speed railway, Siemens President for Russia and Central Asia Dietrich Muller told journalists Tuesday.

"We are interested in the Moscow-Kazan high-speed railway project. We are particularly interested in trains’ delivery on the basis of local production together with Sinara," he said, adding that "the company would be interested in co-developing."
"We are at the very beginning of the project and it is possible that we will participate in the project as a contractor," Muller said.

As TASS reported earlier, Russian Railways First Vice-President Alexander Misharin said that the construction of the high-speed rail Moscow-Kazan would begin in 2016. "We have announced a design competition, and we will open the envelopes on April 22, and announce the winners before the end of the month. The first stage of the design process is set to end in March of next year, and all the design work should be completed in September of next year. And we should start construction next year as well," Misharin said. According to him, it would be technically possible to build and implement the railway for consistent operation in 2020. He noted that the route has already been approved by the regions, and but the official map will be made public only after the design in completed.

Earlier in April, Russian Railways CEO Vladimir Yakunin told TASS that the Russian Railway is looking into the proposal by China to invest 300 bln rubles ($5.7 bln) into the Moscow-Kazan high speed railway. "They expressed their intent. But there is nothing to discuss yet, there is neither format nor model," Yakunin said when asked about the offer made by the Chinese investors to put in 250 bln rubles ($4.7 bln) worth of credits into the construction and contribute 52 bln rubles ($995.8 mln) into the SPV-company.

Yakunin did not clarify whether the amount of investment from the Chinese side is enough to see the project to fruition though he added that the total amount for the high speed railway construction almost tops 900 billion rubles ($17.2 bln) 1.068 trillion rubles ($20.4 bln) with railroad infrastructure and rolling stock included.

Moscow-Kazan high-speed railroad remains transport ministry’s priority project
At that time, Misharin said that the progress payment with China for the construction of the high speed railway may be made in rubles, dollars or yuan.

The Moscow-Kazan railroad may later be extended to China, and become the high-speed rail Moscow-Beijing, connecting the two countries across Kazakhstan. The transport scheme could become part of the route of a new Silk Road project, which is aimed at tying China with the European and Middle Eastern markets.

The Sino-Russian consortium becomes the only bidder for Moscow - Kazan High Speed Railway engineering, Russian Railways said on Friday in its tender documentation posted on the website.

"The bid was received by the deadline set forth in the tender documentation from OAO Mosgiprotrans - the representative of the bidder with several legal entities acting on its side, that is, Mosgiprotrans, Nizhegorodmetroproekt [Russian design institutes - TASS], and China Railway Eryuan Engineering Group Co. Ltd.," Russian Railways said.

The Moscow-Kazan High Speed Railway’s total length will stand at around 770 kilometers. Trains may go at a speed of 350-400 kilometers per hour, and the time en route between the two cities could be 3-3.5 hours against the current 14 hours.
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