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Old May 11th, 2015, 11:10 AM   #101
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Chinese Institute to Help Design High-Speed Train Project in Russia

(Beijing) – A research institute at China's major railroad construction company will help design a Russian high-speed rail project, a source at China Railway Group Ltd. says.

A consortium of China Railway Eryuan Engineering Group Co. Ltd. (CREEC) and two Russian companies won the contract on April 30 to design the 770 kilometer line linking Moscow and Kazan, a city east of the Russian capital, the person said.

The source did not tell Caixin how many companies were involved in the bidding. Germany's Siemens AG and France's Alstom had showed interest in the project, but did not bid.

CREEC, which is part of China Railway Group, has eyed the Russian project since 2012 and set up a branch in the country, the source said. CREEC got permission from Russian authorities to operate design businesses in the country in March.

The institute has offered documents giving a rough analysis of the financial situation for the project to Russia, the source said.

Chinese companies could win the construction contract and train orders for the Moscow-Kazan project if the institute plays a big role in the design process, the source said. Those contracts could be worth more than 20 billion rubles, or 2.38 billion yuan.

China Railway Group and China Northern Railway (CNR) Corp. Ltd., a railroad equipment manufacturer, have set up a group to handle the Russian project, an employee of China Railway Corp. said.

CNR had been China's sole producer of trains for cold weather before CSR Corp. Ltd. displayed a new model at an expo in Beijing in October.

The two equipment manufacturers are working to complete a merger that the central government had urged in a bid to form a stronger competitor on the world stage. The firms announced a tie-up plan at the end of last year.
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Old May 24th, 2015, 05:19 AM   #102
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High-speed railway Moscow - Kazan may be extended to Beijing

High-speed railway Moscow - Kazan may be extended to Beijing. This issue will be considered at a meeting of Russian-Chinese group this year. It was stated by first Vice-President of Russian Railways Alexander Misharin on May 19 during a video bridge Moscow (Interfax) - Nizhny Novgorod - Kazan (Tatar-inform).

As Alexander Misharin recalled, on May 8, Russian Ministry of Transport, Chinese State Committee of Development and Reform, Russian Railways and Chinese public company China Railway signed a memorandum on cooperation in the construction of high-speed railway Moscow Kazan in the presence of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping. The total construction cost is more than one trillion rubles. Moscow - Kazan road section may be extended and become a part of high-speed railway Moscow Beijing in the future. The project cost is estimated at seven trillion rubles.

The length of railway Moscow - Kazan will be 770 km, the total journey time - 3 hours 30 minutes.

Russian Railways calls ticket cost for high-speed railway train Moscow - Kazan

The cost of tickets for high-speed trains that will run on the high-speed railway Moscow - Kazan, will approximately be from two to 10-12 thousand rubles. This was stated by first Vice-President of Russian Railways Aleksandr Misharin today during a video bridge Moscow (Interfax) - Nizhny Novgorod - Kazan (Tatar-inform).

"An average ticket price is four rubles per kilometer, and for tourist class is a little more than two rubles," said Aleksander Misharin. According to him, the cost of tickets may be reviewed in the light of inflation by 2018.

Design work on the project of high-speed railway Moscow - Kazan should be completed in 2016, and construction of the first section of the highway from Moscow to Nizhny Novgorod to begin the same year. Construction of the first starting section is planned to complete in 2018. The completion of the entire line is scheduled for 2020, the first vice-president of Russian Railways said.
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Old May 24th, 2015, 06:08 PM   #103
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I wonder whether they will include Kazakhstan for Beijing-Kazan route. I think they are going to exclude Mongolia since the Chinese high speed line already reaches Urumqi, the line probably will go from there into Kazakhstan or through Altai Mountains into Russia directly to got to more populated cities of Russia. It is a very ambitious project indeed.
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Old May 24th, 2015, 07:17 PM   #104
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Interestingly the most direct route between Kazan and rmqi would go straight through Astana.
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Old May 25th, 2015, 02:21 PM   #105
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Estimated route after Kazan is going through Ural mountains: Yekaterinburg - Chelyabinsk - Astana - Urumqi
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Old May 29th, 2015, 03:18 PM   #106
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Old July 10th, 2015, 05:23 PM   #107
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Siemens-Sinara JV to assemble HS trains in Russia
Friday, July 10, 2015



SIEMENS and Sinara celebrated the fifth anniversary of their Ural Locomotives Russian joint venture on July 9 by signing a memorandum of understanding (MoU) which will pave the way for the assembly of high-speed trains at its Verkhnaya Pyshma plant near Yekaterinburg

Under the agreement Ural Locomotives will be responsible for assembling any future orders for Sapsan vehicles for Russian Railways (RZD)

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Old July 10th, 2015, 06:20 PM   #108
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In my opinion, a futile attempt to cut out Chinese. If the political climate doesn't change dramatically, Siemens has little chance.
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Old July 23rd, 2015, 02:46 PM   #109
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There isnt any demand for a HSR service outside the Moscow SPB axis, be realistic, where are the projected ridership figures? How many people have the money to pay for a fare on a HSR between Moscow and Kazan or N. Novgorod? Will the ridership and the projected revenues be able to at least cover maintenance and operating costs?
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Old July 23rd, 2015, 03:16 PM   #110
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700 km Moscow - Kazan axis has 2 1 mln cities (Nizhy Novgorod and Kazan), 1 800 thous city (Cheboksary), 1 400 thous city (Vladimir) and at leas 4 100 thous towns. That's around same as Paris - Marseille axis. In 700-800 km of Kazan' there are 6 1mln cities and at least 4 500+ thous cities in 2,5 axis.

1300 km Moscow - Krasnodar axis has 3 1 mln cities, 2 600-700 thous cities, 3 200-300 thous cities and many 50-100 thous towns.
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There isnt any demand for a HSR service outside the Moscow SPB axis, be realistic, where are the projected ridership figures? How many people have the money to pay for a fare on a HSR between Moscow and Kazan or N. Novgorod? Will the ridership and the projected revenues be able to at least cover maintenance and operating costs?
In Russia (people and government) a lot of money. Do not worry.
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HSR is not there just to make money for themselves, it's suppose to stimulate local economy. So you can't just count the profit (or the lack of) of a HSR, you have to take the overall social economic benefit into account.
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There isnt any demand for a HSR service outside the Moscow SPB axis, be realistic, where are the projected ridership figures? How many people have the money to pay for a fare on a HSR between Moscow and Kazan or N. Novgorod? Will the ridership and the projected revenues be able to at least cover maintenance and operating costs?
Why, people don't travel in Russia? Do you know the populations of those cities you mentioned?
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Where is the money to construct it with oil at US$40 a barrel?
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Where is the money to construct it with oil at US$40 a barrel?
If Saudi Arabia, where roughly sixty per cent of GDP comes from oil, can afford HSR, why shouldn't Russia, where about 35 per cent of GDP derives from oil and gas, be able to afford HSR?
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Old September 17th, 2015, 01:07 PM   #117
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Moscow-Kazan route is in a projecting stage now. Chinese companies are involved, geological surveys are being done. There are some photos of maps (in Russian) here: http://periskop.livejournal.com/1457783.html
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There isnt any demand for a HSR service outside the Moscow SPB axis, be realistic, where are the projected ridership figures? How many people have the money to pay for a fare on a HSR between Moscow and Kazan or N. Novgorod? Will the ridership and the projected revenues be able to at least cover maintenance and operating costs?
This is a highly populated region of Russia connecting a lot of major cities, some of them growing quite quickly. It's a very logical route, actually.
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Number of high-speed passenger

Passengers in HS trains (millions)
2009: 0,040
2010: 1,900
2011: 2,800
2012: 3,200
2013: 3,800
2014:
2015:
TOTAL: 11,740

Source: (2009/2013) 2013 Annual Report RZD page 42

Passengers-kilometers in HS trains (billions)
2009: 0,020
2010: 1,200
2011: 1,600
2012: 1,800
2013: 1,920
2014: 2,550
2015:
TOTAL: 9,090

Source: (2009/2013) 2013 Annual Report RZD pgina 42
Includes Siemens Sapsan (250 km/h, 2,85 M Passengers in 2012 and up), Alstom Allegro (220 km/h, 0,35 M in 2012), and Talgo Strizh services (200 km/h, 1 M from 1 june 2015 to 8 april 2016); 2014 Passengers-km data is from UIC (+34% !!! add Siemens Desiro 160 km/h Lastochka services?), the 2009/2012 data is from RZD.

Passengers and Passengers-kilometers world data, and explanation of the fact that the operators and the UIC count -in some cases- the number of passengers on high-speed trains, not on high-speed lines.
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Old video, but very interesting to me:
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