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Old April 16th, 2008, 09:14 PM   #5461
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Old April 17th, 2008, 05:23 AM   #5463
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Old April 17th, 2008, 12:43 PM   #5464
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Old April 17th, 2008, 05:41 PM   #5465
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The only problem with these kinds of projects is, that while the beautiful skyscrapers are rising towards the sky, the condition of the poor people's houses is crappy. See the pic posted by Skymyhusband "april 14th by Leighsa Haze". The SWFC rises above the decayed houses underneath. I'm not saying the budjet of SWFC should've been used to repair those, but it's still a bit disturbing. I doubt that it's nice to come across buildings that are almost falling apart after walking around the new and clean business centre in downtown. It's a problem in every big city, tho, not just Shanghai.

Here in Finland, for example, the whole infrastucture is in decent shape. There are no slum-kind of houses anywhere and the buildings are overall in good shape. Of course there are some differences between "the good" and "the bad" areas, but the gap between them isn't that big.
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they are not poor people, their houses are worth millions of dollars at that location.

I mean the houses look shabby 'cause they are going to sell them to the developers. There are poor areas but you can't see them in the downtown pictures.

yes wealth gap is big in China but those house owners are definitely belong to the rich group
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Nice Picture!!!

The tiny house with SWFC in the background.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 06:04 PM   #5468
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The only problem with these kinds of projects is, that while the beautiful skyscrapers are rising towards the sky, the condition of the poor people's houses is crappy. See the pic posted by Skymyhusband "april 14th by Leighsa Haze". The SWFC rises above the decayed houses underneath. I'm not saying the budjet of SWFC should've been used to repair those, but it's still a bit disturbing. I doubt that it's nice to come across buildings that are almost falling apart after walking around the new and clean business centre in downtown. It's a problem in every big city, tho, not just Shanghai.

Here in Finland, for example, the whole infrastucture is in decent shape. There are no slum-kind of houses anywhere and the buildings are overall in good shape. Of course there are some differences between "the good" and "the bad" areas, but the gap between them isn't that big.
Finland doesn't have 1.3 billion people.

The UN once considered Canada the best place in the world to live, yet we have people living in card boards.

Thing to realize is that these commercial buildings have nothing to do with welfare. If the people who builds these buildings decide to give to the poor, then its cherity. If these people decide to keep for them self, then it's investment. Either wise, the government nor anyone else have anything to do in the matter.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 08:00 PM   #5469
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The only problem with these kinds of projects is, that while the beautiful skyscrapers are rising towards the sky, the condition of the poor people's houses is crappy. See the pic posted by Skymyhusband "april 14th by Leighsa Haze". The SWFC rises above the decayed houses underneath. I'm not saying the budjet of SWFC should've been used to repair those, but it's still a bit disturbing. I doubt that it's nice to come across buildings that are almost falling apart after walking around the new and clean business centre in downtown. It's a problem in every big city, tho, not just Shanghai.

Here in Finland, for example, the whole infrastucture is in decent shape. There are no slum-kind of houses anywhere and the buildings are overall in good shape. Of course there are some differences between "the good" and "the bad" areas, but the gap between them isn't that big.

Dude, What the Heck are you talking about? This is not just China who are having this problems but all of the developing or third world countries in the world got the same issue. From Latin America, to South America, to Africa, across Asia and the Pacific, these has been going on.

By the way, Big-Dog is totally right to the point. Those houses are not junk houses. Their houses (or their land) are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably millions of dollars if its near Pudong Business District). I am very sure the people who lives there will wait until it is the right time to sell their properties.

Finland is way, way totally different from China. You already got the right governing system. On the other hand, China, even though GDP is already way too big, is still starting its reforms. Dude, that's 1.3 billion people you are talking about. Your country only got a population of less than 6 million.
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Why do the people who build skyscrapers have a duty to help the poor people? Even in Hong Kong, the freest market that has ever existed there are still poor people. The simple fact is that some people never have ambition to acquire even mediocre skills so they will always be poor. That is true ANYWHERE in the world, even in so-called Socialist "paradises," and it is no one's fault but their own.


If anything you should be amazed at China. It's grown even faster than America did in the second industrial revolution. I heard in a documentary that no country in history has ever developed so fast.
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Old April 18th, 2008, 12:09 AM   #5471
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anyway...great looking tower.
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They did put the lighting in Mirae Asset /Hopson Tower yet...I wonder if the lighting will show the interior crown of the building, cause right now its hard to know that is actually exists
I remember that crown... the one that looked like a mushroom or something.

Anyway, the top observation deck (of SWFC) is looking good. I haven't been checking this thread lately, this is the first time I see it like this.
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they are not poor people, their houses are worth millions of dollars at that location.

I mean the houses look shabby 'cause they are going to sell them to the developers. There are poor areas but you can't see them in the downtown pictures.

yes wealth gap is big in China but those house owners are definitely belong to the rich group
Those houses are located in Huangpu District near the Bund. Their prices are so astronomical that it is calculated in US Dollars instead of RMB. In terms of RMB I heard from locals that even in terms of US Dollars, those "shabby slums" can go upwards of 10 million USD. I'm not sure if they're referring to one housing unit or an entire house. Probably the entire house. But in any case, hard as it is to believe, that is the Upper East Side of China, while Xujiahui, which looks a lot nicer and upper class, is only the Upper West Side of China.
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Old April 18th, 2008, 11:15 AM   #5474
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Lasts pics were taken in Yu Yuan, right?
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Those houses are located in Huangpu District near the Bund. Their prices are so astronomical that it is calculated in US Dollars instead of RMB. In terms of RMB I heard from locals that even in terms of US Dollars, those "shabby slums" can go upwards of 10 million USD. I'm not sure if they're referring to one housing unit or an entire house. Probably the entire house. But in any case, hard as it is to believe, that is the Upper East Side of China, while Xujiahui, which looks a lot nicer and upper class, is only the Upper West Side of China.
Damn. I'm stunned. Those buildings I was talking about, look like 100 000 dollar houses to me. Maybe the land is expensive, but how much does that console if u live in a house like that? You could buy a real castle or the celeb-kind of mansion from California with that amount of money.

If some of you had read my post carefully, u would've noticed I never stated that the enterprises should donate their money to poor. That's not it. I was talking about the infrastructure of Hong Kong central, and to me, those kind of buildings don't look good next to the skyscrapers.
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Damn. I'm stunned. Those buildings I was talking about, look like 100 000 dollar houses to me. Maybe the land is expensive, but how much does that console if u live in a house like that? You could buy a real castle or the celeb-kind of mansion from California with that amount of money.

If some of you had read my post carefully, u would've noticed I never stated that the enterprises should donate their money to poor. That's not it. I was talking about the infrastructure of Hong Kong central, and to me, those kind of buildings don't look good next to the skyscrapers.
Yes you're absolutely right. It is the land that makes it expensive, not the quality of houses themselves. The land there is like gold. Like I said, in terms of building quality, Xujiahui is definitely the nicest in Shanghai or for that matter all of China. Huangpu buildings are really shitty, slum-like but the land in Huangpu is more expensive than Xujiahui so that kind of offsets it. You're right those buildings do look pretty bad, but lets not forget Hong Kong has a lot of really shitty looking slum-like apartments too. A lot of them! However, the real estate value in those "slums" are also astronomical. But don't worry sooner or later, those "slums" in Huangpu will either be torn down or extensively renovated.
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Damn. I'm stunned. Those buildings I was talking about, look like 100 000 dollar houses to me. Maybe the land is expensive, but how much does that console if u live in a house like that? You could buy a real castle or the celeb-kind of mansion from California with that amount of money.

If some of you had read my post carefully, u would've noticed I never stated that the enterprises should donate their money to poor. That's not it. I was talking about the infrastructure of Hong Kong central, and to me, those kind of buildings don't look good next to the skyscrapers.
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It's funny that sartorialist functions as a cultural shock and sartorial to Americans with mere daily street shots of normal european people who wear normal european "day clothes".
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