SeaTac Airport is growing fast... - Page 7

Puertalian · June 23rd, 2007, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guinessbeer55

to sum it up:

-people in seattle finally can get to the heart of europe
-the flight is sold out through to september
-and Air France will likely change the plane to a 777

All in all good for both cities and Airfrance. Airbuses are death traps though. A few years back they released a variant of the A300 that had some automated systems capable of overide the pilot at seemingly anytime. The program crashed several planes and killed over 200 people.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...aillard02.html

tmaxxfreak11 · June 23rd, 2007, 11:26 PM

Apparently there is a rumor going around in Lufthansa that Frankfurt - Seattle will be started soon, I have no idea what aircraft they might be planning to use though.

guinessbeer55 · June 24th, 2007, 02:55 AM

WHAT!!!!! where did you hear that?!?!

That is so cool!!! I know they serve Portland but maybe its not making them any money... They probably also realize that theyre losing competition with Air France, British Airways, SAS, and KLM/Northwest all serving Seattle.

tmaxxfreak11 · June 24th, 2007, 05:12 AM

http://www.airliners.net/discussions.../3473579/1/#54

these pop up often on airliners.net but usually they are not this specific...

the rumor that Air France was going to start Seattle - Paris was floating around there for awhile...

guinessbeer55 · June 24th, 2007, 05:34 AM

Id like to see one of these babys!!

guinessbeer55 · June 24th, 2007, 05:02 PM

okay I have a few questions

1.) Apparently the forumers on airliners.net say that the Seattle-Copenhagen on SAS is the most profitable route for SAS(international) but its still not profitable enough, does anyone know any details about this turmoil??

2.)Also If Lufthansa was to start service to Seattle that would definatly hurt the PDX flight right??

tmaxxfreak11 · June 24th, 2007, 07:10 PM

Answer to 1:

Apparently SAS's whole long-haul network is a money loser, that was announced a couple months ago. If it was restructured or flights were cut, the Seattle flight would be one of the last to go. It has been here for over 40 years.

Answer to 2:

Not necessarily, Lufthansa's PDX-FRA flight is the only flight to Europe from Portland. They might see a slight dip in loads but it isn't going anywhere. Many of the large businesses in the Portland area have deals with Lufthansa seeing as they are the only carrier flying to Europe from Portland.

guinessbeer55 · June 24th, 2007, 11:06 PM

Do you guys think that Seattle has a big enough market to sustain 6 daily flights to Europe if Lufthansa was to begin service to SeaTac??

tmaxxfreak11 · June 24th, 2007, 11:22 PM

Right now we have 31 weekly frequencies to Europe. Assuming LH's service would be daily that would make it 38 weekly frequencies, not quite 6x daily. To keep it simple, yes, I believe Seattle can support more frequencies to Europe. The current flights we have go out packed.

guinessbeer55 · June 25th, 2007, 02:04 AM

I wonder if and when Lufthansa plans on starting service to Seattle... Im guessing not until next spring or summer.

guinessbeer55 · June 26th, 2007, 03:15 AM

well apparently Vancouver-Frankfurt isnt doing so well according to someone on airliners.net

They think that LH will add Seattle and then drop Vancouver after the Olympics. Interesting stuff...

guinessbeer55 · June 29th, 2007, 12:36 AM

Today Lufthansa announced nonstops between Orlando and Frankfurt and Tmaxxfreak, that was part of that rumor you told us about on airliners.net. Hopefully theyll announce Seattle soon too!!

Ginkgo · July 3rd, 2007, 07:31 AM

Nice to see some new airlines serving Seattle-Tacoma. But I can think of three who quit serving Sea-Tac: Japan Airlines, Finnair, and Mexicana. I'd love to see JAL and Finnair back here.

guinessbeer55 · July 3rd, 2007, 08:25 AM

JAL and Finnair did??? when was that and to where did they fly???

Ginkgo · July 3rd, 2007, 08:31 AM

Guiness: Finnair flew non-stop to Helsinki. I took the flight myself in 1984. It must have been a couple of years or so after that that they quit Sea-Tac. As for JAL, some old timer might remember exactly when they stopped. When I arrived in the area in the mid-1970's they were flying non-stop to Tokyo.

guinessbeer55 · July 3rd, 2007, 09:01 AM

I also know that Aeroflot used to fly Moscow-Seattle but that stopped a couple of years back...

WESTSEATTLEGUY · July 3rd, 2007, 08:20 PM

That was so cool when we had that Seattle-Moscow flight. I also know they made good money with it too, but had to stop for some reason.

mhays · July 3rd, 2007, 09:05 PM

JAL stopped after 9/11 I think. That took us from three Tokyo flights per day down to two.

WESTSEATTLEGUY · July 3rd, 2007, 10:32 PM

-JAL, I'm pretty sure stopped before 2000, since NW was taking over the Seattle-Tokyo market.

guinessbeer55 · July 3rd, 2007, 10:59 PM

that sucks... JAL is a good airline...

we also need nonstops to Beijing, Shanghai, or Hong Kong...

July 3rd, 2007, 07:31 AM	#133
Ginkgo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 396 Likes (Received): 71	Lost airlines Nice to see some new airlines serving Seattle-Tacoma. But I can think of three who quit serving Sea-Tac: Japan Airlines, Finnair, and Mexicana. I'd love to see JAL and Finnair back here.

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June 23rd, 2007, 11:26 PM	#122
tmaxxfreak11 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 339 Likes (Received): 0	Apparently there is a rumor going around in Lufthansa that Frankfurt - Seattle will be started soon, I have no idea what aircraft they might be planning to use though.

June 24th, 2007, 02:55 AM	#123
guinessbeer55 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 665 Likes (Received): 2	WHAT!!!!! where did you hear that?!?! That is so cool!!! I know they serve Portland but maybe its not making them any money... They probably also realize that theyre losing competition with Air France, British Airways, SAS, and KLM/Northwest all serving Seattle.

June 24th, 2007, 05:12 AM	#124
tmaxxfreak11 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 339 Likes (Received): 0	http://www.airliners.net/discussions.../3473579/1/#54 these pop up often on airliners.net but usually they are not this specific... the rumor that Air France was going to start Seattle - Paris was floating around there for awhile...

June 24th, 2007, 05:34 AM	#125
guinessbeer55 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 665 Likes (Received): 2	Id like to see one of these babys!!

June 24th, 2007, 05:02 PM	#126
guinessbeer55 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 665 Likes (Received): 2	okay I have a few questions 1.) Apparently the forumers on airliners.net say that the Seattle-Copenhagen on SAS is the most profitable route for SAS(international) but its still not profitable enough, does anyone know any details about this turmoil?? 2.)Also If Lufthansa was to start service to Seattle that would definatly hurt the PDX flight right??

June 24th, 2007, 07:10 PM	#127
tmaxxfreak11 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 339 Likes (Received): 0	Answer to 1: Apparently SAS's whole long-haul network is a money loser, that was announced a couple months ago. If it was restructured or flights were cut, the Seattle flight would be one of the last to go. It has been here for over 40 years. Answer to 2: Not necessarily, Lufthansa's PDX-FRA flight is the only flight to Europe from Portland. They might see a slight dip in loads but it isn't going anywhere. Many of the large businesses in the Portland area have deals with Lufthansa seeing as they are the only carrier flying to Europe from Portland.

June 24th, 2007, 11:06 PM	#128
guinessbeer55 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 665 Likes (Received): 2	Do you guys think that Seattle has a big enough market to sustain 6 daily flights to Europe if Lufthansa was to begin service to SeaTac??

June 24th, 2007, 11:22 PM	#129
tmaxxfreak11 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 339 Likes (Received): 0	Right now we have 31 weekly frequencies to Europe. Assuming LH's service would be daily that would make it 38 weekly frequencies, not quite 6x daily. To keep it simple, yes, I believe Seattle can support more frequencies to Europe. The current flights we have go out packed.

June 25th, 2007, 02:04 AM	#130
guinessbeer55 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 665 Likes (Received): 2	I wonder if and when Lufthansa plans on starting service to Seattle... Im guessing not until next spring or summer.

June 26th, 2007, 03:15 AM	#131
guinessbeer55 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 665 Likes (Received): 2	well apparently Vancouver-Frankfurt isnt doing so well according to someone on airliners.net They think that LH will add Seattle and then drop Vancouver after the Olympics. Interesting stuff...

June 29th, 2007, 12:36 AM	#132
guinessbeer55 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 665 Likes (Received): 2	Today Lufthansa announced nonstops between Orlando and Frankfurt and Tmaxxfreak, that was part of that rumor you told us about on airliners.net. Hopefully theyll announce Seattle soon too!!

July 3rd, 2007, 08:25 AM	#134
guinessbeer55 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 665 Likes (Received): 2	JAL and Finnair did??? when was that and to where did they fly???

July 3rd, 2007, 08:31 AM	#135
Ginkgo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 396 Likes (Received): 71	Guiness: Finnair flew non-stop to Helsinki. I took the flight myself in 1984. It must have been a couple of years or so after that that they quit Sea-Tac. As for JAL, some old timer might remember exactly when they stopped. When I arrived in the area in the mid-1970's they were flying non-stop to Tokyo.

July 3rd, 2007, 09:01 AM	#136
guinessbeer55 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 665 Likes (Received): 2	I also know that Aeroflot used to fly Moscow-Seattle but that stopped a couple of years back...

July 3rd, 2007, 08:20 PM	#137
WESTSEATTLEGUY Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Seattle/Chicago Posts: 2,017 Likes (Received): 7	That was so cool when we had that Seattle-Moscow flight. I also know they made good money with it too, but had to stop for some reason.

July 3rd, 2007, 09:05 PM	#138
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,465 Likes (Received): 125	JAL stopped after 9/11 I think. That took us from three Tokyo flights per day down to two.

July 3rd, 2007, 10:32 PM	#139
WESTSEATTLEGUY Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Seattle/Chicago Posts: 2,017 Likes (Received): 7	-JAL, I'm pretty sure stopped before 2000, since NW was taking over the Seattle-Tokyo market.

July 3rd, 2007, 10:59 PM	#140
guinessbeer55 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 665 Likes (Received): 2	that sucks... JAL is a good airline... we also need nonstops to Beijing, Shanghai, or Hong Kong...