Birmingham Post & Mail - Page 15

morestoreysplease · December 14th, 2012, 01:10 PM

The long-term plan is for a tower but (depressingly familiar story) not yet! I'm wondering if they are demolishing this above the 1st floor then putting in a steel-frame to create the few floors we'll end up with? Or are they refurbing the existing floors and punching new new windows through?

Erebus555 · December 21st, 2012, 06:54 AM

I managed to see this from above yesterday, although sadly I didn't have my camera with me at the time. Anyway, they're going absolutely hell for leather on the roof. About a third of it has been cut away and the grid layout of the concrete structure is plainly visible now.

nigeman · December 21st, 2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by morestoreysplease

The long-term plan is for a tower but (depressingly familiar story) not yet! I'm wondering if they are demolishing this above the 1st floor then putting in a steel-frame to create the few floors we'll end up with? Or are they refurbing the existing floors and punching new new windows through?

This project just confuses me..all this work and money to create a car park?? Where's the return?

Spread · December 21st, 2012, 10:56 AM

The office building on top will be built in due course once there is sufficient demand (ie a pre-let). In the meantime the car park will be profitable and worthwhile. The main structure is in place this is just a refurb of the existing very strong basement to make it into an underground car park

sefton66 · December 21st, 2012, 11:15 AM

The underground car park will be used for the offices once built, the basement on this is huge so it makes sense for underground parking.

morestoreysplease · December 28th, 2012, 04:09 PM

Went past today - this is being seriously demolished. A question I asked before - what will it look like after Phase 1? We know that many floors of underground parking are being created but what will it look like above ground level?? Also this needs to move to construction threads.

sefton66 · December 28th, 2012, 05:24 PM

The basement car park and two floors of the main building make up phase 1

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Originally Posted by sefton66

correct, this seems to be latest image

http://www.associated-architects.co....post-and-mail/

ReissOmari · December 29th, 2012, 12:23 AM

Still don't understand how they can build half of the building and 'carry on' in phase 2..

adamdalziel · December 29th, 2012, 07:46 PM

Wow, think the render looks great. Really like the style of buildings in the business quarter. All very clean lines, lots of glass.

build_higher · December 30th, 2012, 12:47 AM

Whilst this looks nice I'm majorly apprehensive that like so many projects in Birmingham this will run out of money once phase 1 is done & it will just stay like that for years & maybe longer and this area of the city deserves and needs better than that.

Typhoon2000 · December 30th, 2012, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by build_higher

Whilst this looks nice I'm majorly apprehensive that like so many projects in Birmingham this will run out of money once phase 1 is done & it will just stay like that for years & maybe longer and this area of the city deserves and needs better than that.

What he said

Engels · January 9th, 2013, 12:40 AM

A couple of snaps of the demolition I grabbed on a visit next door

i_like_concrete · January 9th, 2013, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by build_higher

Whilst this looks nice I'm majorly apprehensive that like so many projects in Birmingham this will run out of money once phase 1 is done & it will just stay like that for years & maybe longer and this area of the city deserves and needs better than that.

The entire point of developing this in phases is so that an income stream can be established with the underground car park, and due to the foresight to ensure a building can be built above, the second phase is immediately viable if and when a tenant is found or the market picks up enough to build speculatively.

A proper office building is much more likely on this site with phase one complete than if the printworks is simply left in place.

Ecological · January 9th, 2013, 09:22 AM

It would be interesting to see if BDC revise the layout of this car park to allow possible enhancements to the 2nd pahse should the police decide to re-locate.

Spread · January 9th, 2013, 10:21 AM

As I understood it the future phase is still pretty flaxible as they are allowing for column locations and loadings which I assume are dictated by the strengh of the current underground structure.

Ecological · January 9th, 2013, 10:41 AM

I much prefer the word "flaxable" then "flexable"

That's good to know.

bikmax · January 9th, 2013, 03:59 PM

flexible is even better

Ecological · January 9th, 2013, 04:12 PM

I would blame being in a rush for that mistake but I just clearly had a brain freeze to go with my soft head.

Spread · January 9th, 2013, 05:15 PM

I blame spellcheck as my posts are checked on my phone and at home but not for some reason on my work computer. I depend on it too much, being able to spell would also help

Typhoon2000 · January 10th, 2013, 07:48 AM

Phase two can go ahead after phase one is completed. The carpark would be emptied for the duration to become a designated building site again. As metioned above, the site will be futureproofed to allow phase 2 (whatever it might look like) to be built on top. I'm actually impressed by this as someone has really thought about how to make a continuous money stream out of it. In all honesty, I don't think anyone should worry about it... Especially when the Car Park is completed. Perhaps this is the plan lots of other builds should work to, including Regal... If they were to create a large underground car park now, it would act as a solid and financial foundation for which to build their tower (we live in a trickle of hope

) but you get my point.

December 14th, 2012, 01:10 PM	#281
morestoreysplease Brummie Angeleno Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Birmingham UK, Los Angeles CA Posts: 6,676 Likes (Received): 19	The long-term plan is for a tower but (depressingly familiar story) not yet! I'm wondering if they are demolishing this above the 1st floor then putting in a steel-frame to create the few floors we'll end up with? Or are they refurbing the existing floors and punching new new windows through? __________________ Birmingham - TheBigCityPlan.

December 21st, 2012, 06:54 AM	#282
Erebus555 It's Sting. So What? Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bristol Posts: 31,246 Likes (Received): 4	I managed to see this from above yesterday, although sadly I didn't have my camera with me at the time. Anyway, they're going absolutely hell for leather on the roof. About a third of it has been cut away and the grid layout of the concrete structure is plainly visible now. __________________ The UK Housing Wiki - Attempting to document every tower block, council estate, private estate, housing association, tower block construction/ demolition method, tower block architect, tower block construction company... etc etc, in the UK. Everything to do with postwar residences! - Please join and help! EREBUS - OFFICIAL MOD CANDIDATE 2011 - BRITISH MODS FOR BRITISH PEOPLE!

December 28th, 2012, 04:09 PM	#286
morestoreysplease Brummie Angeleno Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Birmingham UK, Los Angeles CA Posts: 6,676 Likes (Received): 19	Went past today - this is being seriously demolished. A question I asked before - what will it look like after Phase 1? We know that many floors of underground parking are being created but what will it look like above ground level?? Also this needs to move to construction threads. __________________ Birmingham - TheBigCityPlan.

December 29th, 2012, 12:23 AM	#288
ReissOmari Birmingham - #1 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,930 Likes (Received): 53	Still don't understand how they can build half of the building and 'carry on' in phase 2.. __________________ ReissOmari.. flickr flickr2

January 9th, 2013, 12:40 AM	#292
Engels Simples Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 4,098 Likes (Received): 7	A couple of snaps of the demolition I grabbed on a visit next door __________________ You were born poor, naked and helpless. Everything in your life was given to you, the food you ate, the clothes you wore, the shelter you received. Most importantly of all you received an education. You were given this because people loved you, because people you never knew worked to feed you and long before you were born people died to protect you and to give you the opportunities they never had. Life doesn't owe you anything! YOU owe life!

December 21st, 2012, 10:56 AM	#284
Spread Brummie & Proud Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 1,647 Likes (Received): 34	The office building on top will be built in due course once there is sufficient demand (ie a pre-let). In the meantime the car park will be profitable and worthwhile. The main structure is in place this is just a refurb of the existing very strong basement to make it into an underground car park

December 21st, 2012, 11:15 AM	#285
sefton66 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6,495 Likes (Received): 60	The underground car park will be used for the offices once built, the basement on this is huge so it makes sense for underground parking.

December 29th, 2012, 07:46 PM	#289
adamdalziel Adam Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 563 Likes (Received): 4	Wow, think the render looks great. Really like the style of buildings in the business quarter. All very clean lines, lots of glass.

December 30th, 2012, 12:47 AM	#290
build_higher Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Birmingham Posts: 127 Likes (Received): 1	Whilst this looks nice I'm majorly apprehensive that like so many projects in Birmingham this will run out of money once phase 1 is done & it will just stay like that for years & maybe longer and this area of the city deserves and needs better than that.

January 9th, 2013, 09:22 AM	#294
Ecological BANNED Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,521 Likes (Received): 9	It would be interesting to see if BDC revise the layout of this car park to allow possible enhancements to the 2nd pahse should the police decide to re-locate.

January 9th, 2013, 10:21 AM	#295
Spread Brummie & Proud Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 1,647 Likes (Received): 34	As I understood it the future phase is still pretty flaxible as they are allowing for column locations and loadings which I assume are dictated by the strengh of the current underground structure.

January 9th, 2013, 10:41 AM	#296
Ecological BANNED Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,521 Likes (Received): 9	I much prefer the word "flaxable" then "flexable" That's good to know.

January 9th, 2013, 03:59 PM	#297
bikmax Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 62 Likes (Received): 0	flexible is even better

January 9th, 2013, 04:12 PM	#298
Ecological BANNED Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,521 Likes (Received): 9	I would blame being in a rush for that mistake but I just clearly had a brain freeze to go with my soft head.

January 9th, 2013, 05:15 PM	#299
Spread Brummie & Proud Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 1,647 Likes (Received): 34	I blame spellcheck as my posts are checked on my phone and at home but not for some reason on my work computer. I depend on it too much, being able to spell would also help

January 10th, 2013, 07:48 AM	#300
Typhoon2000 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Birmingham/Coventry Posts: 2,584 Likes (Received): 23	Phase two can go ahead after phase one is completed. The carpark would be emptied for the duration to become a designated building site again. As metioned above, the site will be futureproofed to allow phase 2 (whatever it might look like) to be built on top. I'm actually impressed by this as someone has really thought about how to make a continuous money stream out of it. In all honesty, I don't think anyone should worry about it... Especially when the Car Park is completed. Perhaps this is the plan lots of other builds should work to, including Regal... If they were to create a large underground car park now, it would act as a solid and financial foundation for which to build their tower (we live in a trickle of hope ) but you get my point. __________________ Call yourself an Architect?.. Listen, take my advice.. A building can ONLY come to life when there is life *around* it - not just in it.. think about it.... This is Birmingham... FORWARD!!!

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