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Old January 2nd, 2015, 03:59 PM   #561
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Germany has the unique system of not only signposting control cities on the same motorways, but also the route to take to other control cities, including road number. In this case the A4 gets interrupted by the A5 anyway...

Munich is already signposted on the A3 between Cologne and Frankfurt, even though the A3 doesn't go anywhere near Munich. (A9 interchange at Nürnberg)
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 04:09 PM   #562
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But not in this case. In this case its the western german politics against eastern Germany. They must sign anything from western Germany on each big sign in the former GDR and they dont sign eastern cities in western Germany until its absolutely necessary
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 04:37 PM   #563
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This is untrue.
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 05:25 PM   #564
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Maybe there is some truth in it, although I would not consider it a political plot. The current focal points on motorways in the former West heading towards the former inner-German border (e.g. A2 and A9, but also A5) were selected well before 1989. If they contained a focal point across the border, it would mostly have been Berlin and nothing else. These signs might have been a bit heavy on smaller towns just before the border and light of larger towns after the border, as those smaller Western towns then received the very vast majority of traffic and the larger Eastern towns would hardly receive any traffic.

Then the world changed in 1989. In the East, all signs had to be aligned with the Western style anyway, so even signs on then existing motorways will to be a large degree have been considered from scratch. Motorways newly built after reunification all the more so, of course. In the West, there was no replacement programme at all and signs would just be replaced when needed. Many Western signs already featured Berlin, but the addition of other towns in the former East will have required a good business case. Of course these could be made for some towns, but it's always easier to make your business case for completely new signs than it is to change the content of an existing sign. In other words, it is definitely conceivable that quite some signs in the West would have looked differently if they had been on motorways built in a unified Germany. Western towns like Wolfsburg and Hof would have much less of a role, Eastern towns like Magdeburg and Leipzig might have been mentioned much earlier.

Looking at the sign that prompted this remark: it's in my opinion not immediately obvious to signpost Frankfurt from as far out as Dresden, but on second thoughts I can follow the choice. The reasoning will have been that Frankfurt itself represents a region that is a major crossroads where lots of long-distance traffic that passes this sign will in fact be changing directions, in combination with the fact that the A4 and (its direct continuation) the A5 are not passing any truly major towns after Dresden. Erfurt, at 200k inhabitants, is the biggest town that you'll come across. Signposting a multi-million hub region then makes a lot of sense. There is one thing that I would have changed: I would have placed Frankfurt at the top of the sign, without A5 shield. Just like they signpost München on much of the A3, when you're still a long way out from the Nurnberg interchange.
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 06:05 PM   #565
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Italian A21 by Voghera:


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/59263885
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 11:54 PM   #566
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455km - it`s really long distance on German signs
Meanwhile on the busiest highway in Canada going through its most densely populated corridor:
https://maps.google.pl/maps?q=pointe...,242.89,,1,4.5

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Old January 3rd, 2015, 02:18 AM   #567
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Be glad Quebec recognizes Toronto at all.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 02:55 AM   #568
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Germany has the unique system of not only signposting control cities on the same motorways, but also the route to take to other control cities, including road number. In this case the A4 gets interrupted by the A5 anyway...
My personal favourite in German motorway signposting is the Berlin distance sign at motorway border crossings when entering Germany. The sign says "Berlin über (via)", followed by a sequence of motorway numbers and the distance to reach the capital.

Where the devil could I find pictures of these signs?

Plus, where exactly are these posted? I guess just at motorway crossings where you can reach Berlin from through an uninterrupted motorway connection. So there should be about 20-30 of them. Does anybody here have a list?
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 03:42 AM   #569
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Where the devil could I find pictures of these signs?
In this thread, where else. (on the first page and here)
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 04:02 AM   #570
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Look at the number of trucks.It's enormous

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Old January 3rd, 2015, 04:28 AM   #571
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That's because people buy every little crap they see in store.
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Be glad Quebec recognizes Toronto at all.
I am. Ontario doesn't even recognize Toronto on any sign for another 300 km or so
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 09:22 AM   #573
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Look at the number of trucks.It's enormous
Always on the A21. I use it as an alternative to the A4. So do all the lorries.
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Old January 17th, 2015, 03:26 AM   #574
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I am. Ontario doesn't even recognize Toronto on any sign for another 300 km or so
There are signs indicating Toronto on every major highway in Montreal. Even New York City appears on some signs!
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Old January 17th, 2015, 03:36 AM   #575
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I know, I live here

But as soon as you cross the border to Ontario it is like Toronto disappeared!
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Old January 24th, 2015, 01:29 AM   #576
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then please explain to me why they, for example,sign lübeck at the kreuz uckermark and not rostock
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Old January 24th, 2015, 01:30 PM   #577
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Terminus of the A20. Pretty much in accordance with the RWBA, which say that the Hauptfernziel should be the road's terminus, unless there is a major crossroads in between. Apparently the Brandenburg road authorities, who are responsible for signposting Kreuz Uckermark, do not consider Rostock a major crossroads.
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Old March 4th, 2015, 01:35 PM   #578
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Lisbon and some Spanish cities signed on the A-12 near Logroño.







I can understand that Logroño and Burgos are signed, as they will be connected by the A-12. Even Santiago de Compostela could make sense, given that the A-12 is one of the routes that follow the Camino de Santiago/Way of St. James. The rest, however, are quite a random choice.
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Old March 4th, 2015, 04:45 PM   #579
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Umm, where is Madrid?
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Nowhere, and other cities aren't crossing Madrid

It is the Pamplona-Logroño motorway, approaching Logroño. People from Pamplona would have taken another motorway

More or less this one.
https://www.google.es/maps/dir/Estel...2!2d42.4627195

Logroño is quite near, Burgos is not randomly at all because it is the next call within road crosses. Valladolid is fine as well as Santiago (quite small, but it is an ancient lane with that destination, indeed, and people know it with this name)

They have chosen several corner randomly cities and I would never had chosen Oviedo (people from Pamplona had taken another motorway). I would take Leon in that place.
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