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Old November 9th, 2017, 11:30 PM   #621
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Perigord / France

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Old November 10th, 2017, 12:26 AM   #622
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So French. The distance between Earth and Venus varies from 38 to 262 million kilometers. A variable sign is absolutely needed.

In addition, the altitude of Venus varies a lot. Thus, the inclination of the sign should be adjustable.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 12:49 AM   #623
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A while ago...
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Pity that I deleted the original video files, I could've got the screenshots with better resolution.

Anyway, you can get some better quality from Google Street View imagery: https://goo.gl/maps/wAXY3GoFPUC2

You might also like these:
Valladolid, Madrid, Lisbon and Algeciras (1,074 km): https://goo.gl/maps/RKHCPZa6Lgk
Bordeaux, Toulouse and Paris (857 km): https://goo.gl/maps/5m6WErGAnax
Pau, Toulouse and Paris (835 km): https://goo.gl/maps/XCsWv8WQkcS2

For some reason the road autorities of Navarre seem to enjoy putting such signs just before the regional border. I couldn't find the ones for the A-21, AP-15 southbound or A-68, though.
I knew there was one on A-21, not near the border but near the start, close to what has become one of my favorite towns since this post:
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The one on A-21 shows the distance to Lleida and Barcelona. But is not that far: 426 km. And it is placed near Pamplona, rather than near the Aragon border: https://www.google.es/maps/@42.75227...zxqRUgIq4Q!2e0
And indeed, there is not such a sign on AP-15 south, but there is one on N-113 near the Aragon/Navarre/Rioja tripoint, again not that far, only 305 km to Madrid: https://www.google.es/maps/@42.01108...7i13312!8i6656. Notice a 741 inhabitant town (Medinaceli) signed 155 km away, but that has an explanation: it is where the A-2/A-15 split is located.
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Old November 12th, 2017, 08:54 PM   #624
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https://www.google.no/maps/@69.69084...7i13312!8i6656

E6 outside Kirkenes, Narvik in four digits... (Might have been posted before...)
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Old November 12th, 2017, 09:20 PM   #625
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Wow. I took this photo on E6 near Trondheim. Northern Norway is so large, it's often overlooked how big distances in Scandinavia are.


E6 Trondheim - Stjørdal-14 by European Roads, on Flickr

Of course Kirkenes - Narvik could be shorter via Finland and Sweden (some 850 km). But that would not take a very direct high-standard road either.
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Old November 12th, 2017, 10:59 PM   #626
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Of course Kirkenes - Narvik could be shorter via Finland and Sweden (some 850 km). But that would not take a very direct high-standard road either.
Ever been there?

The fastest route Narvik-Kirkenes calculated by TomTom from Narvik-Kirkenes is 900 km and 11:15 hours. Not a bad average speed of 80 km/h on an 1+1 road meeting a number of villages. The route is E6-E10-Sweden-E45-Finland-21/E45-93/E45-Norway-E45-92-Finland-92-Norway-92-E6. Every meter is decent road.

The E6 over Alta, Lakselv, Karasjok and Tana bru is only 130 km longer: 1030 km, but the driving time estimate is 3+ hours more, 14:30 hours. It is an indication that the E6 route is worse in average.
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Old November 12th, 2017, 11:08 PM   #627
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Google Maps suggests a quicker route via Muonio. In Finland, it lets you take a gravel road (road nr. 955).

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The problem with the E6 routing is of course that it zigzags across Finnmarksvidda. A more direct route Alta-Porsanger-Tana would cut roughly 200 kms off the travel distance. It's highly unlikely to happen anytime soon, though, since the route would come into conflict with a national park, be far more exposed (needing tunnels etc.), and not being particularly busy at all. Some have also suggested another route between northeastern Troms (Kåfjord) and Karasjok, but again tunnels would be needed - and it would bypass the main regional centre Alta and strategically important Lakselv/Porsanger, thus not really helping much...
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Old November 13th, 2017, 11:34 PM   #629
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Google Maps suggests a quicker route via Muonio. In Finland, it lets you take a gravel road (road nr. 955).

Rule #1: Never trust Google Maps in routing...

The Finnish road 955 is quiet (AADT 50 and up), and easy to drive. No problem to drive 80 km/h despite of being a gravel road for about half of the length. Not a bad choice but not the number one either.

At least the road is a good lesson about driving almost 200 kilometers in the middle of really nothing.
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The problem with the E6 routing is of course that it zigzags across Finnmarksvidda. A more direct route Alta-Porsanger-Tana would cut roughly 200 kms off the travel distance. It's highly unlikely to happen anytime soon, though, since the route would come into conflict with a national park, be far more exposed (needing tunnels etc.), and not being particularly busy at all. Some have also suggested another route between northeastern Troms (Kåfjord) and Karasjok, but again tunnels would be needed - and it would bypass the main regional centre Alta and strategically important Lakselv/Porsanger, thus not really helping much...
True. Main purpose of a road is to connect places. There are not many places to connect in the highlands of Finnmarksvidda.

Those ones needing the fastest road between say Oslo and Kirkenes can find their way over Sweden and Finland, and save about 550 kilometers and 13 hours.

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Old November 14th, 2017, 12:57 AM   #631
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What I think many people, even within Norway, don't realize is that Norway don't only extend far north, but also far east in Finnmark. While western Norway extends to approximately the same longitude as Amsterdam, eastern Finnmark extends to 31° 10' E, i. e. east of Antalya in Turkey.
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That's true, but at that latitude east-west distances aren't as large as at the latitude of Antalya.
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What I think many people, even within Norway, don't realize is that Norway don't only extend far north, but also far east in Finnmark. While western Norway extends to approximately the same longitude as Amsterdam, eastern Finnmark extends to 31° 10' E, i. e. east of Antalya in Turkey.
However, one degree of longitude equals to 40 km only at the latitude of 70 degrees while it is 68 km in Amsterdam and 80 km in Antalya.

Anyway, the big E-W size in degrees has quite a substantial impact to the time. There is about 1:40 hour solar time difference between Bergen and Kirkenes. That is why the daylight occurs somewhat strangely in Kirkenes: Today, for instance, the Sun raises at 08:37 and sets at 12:50. Thus, the solar noon occurs at 10:44 local time.
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At least they do have sun for another 13 days....

I have never heard anyone argue that Norway should be split in different time zones. I guess when the sun is either away or present day and night for large parts of the year, the disadvantages of lagging compared with the solar day is far outweighed by the convenience of being tuned with the rest of the country.

Even though each longitudinal degree of course is shorter in distance the further away you get from equator, the east - west distance is still more than 1000 km in Norway no matter how /where you count, which of course is part of the reason that it makes sense driving via Finland /Sweden when going from eg Kirkenes to Oslo.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 08:35 AM   #635
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At least they do have sun for another 13 days....

I have never heard anyone argue that Norway should be split in different time zones.
That would be quite ridiculous, I believe. The timezone "problem" concerns Finnmark only. (Tromsø lies on the longitude 19E.) On those latitudes, the winter is dark anyway, and in the summertime, there is enough light for everyone.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 08:42 AM   #636
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El Pilar de la Mola phare 11 km away

That's what happen when someone lives in a tiny island... a corner of the island is only 11 km away from centre island where most of people lives

https://www.google.es/maps/@38.70488...2!8i6656?hl=es


Bonus1. Once I had to explain why it didn't worth to build an airport in the island
Bonus2. They are to set congestion area in summer and allow some cars by ferry only. Rest tourists by taxi or bus.
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