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... sorry for the OT ... but it seems the thread unicico active in Los Angeles .... you ... I'm Italian ... the house does not exist ... so ... it's a photo-editing? From the video it looks real ... a real site ... Sorry for the insistence ... but if there is I have to find it on the street-view ... Other locations indicated I found all ... just missing the house .... Does anyone know the area? should be ... Santa Monica ..... |
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This IS on a bluff that may be property that has been
developed since then, or may be just the side of a road anywhere from Palos Verdes to Malibu. The only things real in the picture are the person and the eucalyptus tree on the left, plus the tree on the right. Even the dry grass was put in for effect and the palms were planted temporarily. The house was a prop. |
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...thanks ... ... what a disappointment ... I saw the movie 7 times ... it's my favorite .... I often usto time to try and locate the house .... and now it's a huge disappointment to know to bluff .. . Nowadays sad I was there terrible ... I want to make the 3d project to locate it on google maps ... and I think one day I'll build my house ... will be very similar to this ... hopefully with Daiana inside ![]() ...thanks again ... ... Hello. |
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VERY cool interactive "Mapping LA" feature on the LA Times site.
Neighborhood boundaries, ethnic proportions, schools, income data, etc. Have fun! http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/ |
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THE TRUE PULSE OF L A ... IT EMINATES FROM THIS ODDLY SHAPED HEART . SAMUEL KRUEGER/USC . Urban centers come in different sizes and shapes; it took an academic to map the contours of ours, which is hidden in plain sight. Samuel Krueger likes Los Angeles. A lot. Which is noteworthy because he grew up in Portland, Ore., where the word "Californication" was coined to describe L.A.'s baleful influence. Portland has a well-defined urban core, while Dorothy Parker's description of L.A. — 72 suburbs in search of a city — has stuck with us, for good reason. Krueger, however, says L.A. and Portland have the same energy. And now he's discovered from where it springs: L.A. has an urban center after all. Krueger, 29, works in geographic information systems for the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power. He is tall, bearded and resembles both a Pacific Northwest mountain man and an academic. His find came in an award-winning masters' thesis in geography studies at USC. . . Krueger used an algorithm to map concentrations of overlapping urban features like high-end retail shopping, restaurants, nightclubs, theaters and museums. These clusters of "urban amenities," he said, comprise Los Angeles' urban center. Krueger named this core the "Santa Monica/Wilshire Corridor," after the main arteries that run through it."City center" is perhaps a misnomer for Krueger's core. His corridor crosses city boundaries. It's really long and shaped somewhat like a crab. It runs along the base of the Santa Monica Mountains from the beach to downtown. Hollywood, West Hollywood, Westwood, Beverly Hills, Venice, Melrose Avenue, 3rd Street, Beverly Boulevard and Koreatown are all part of it. It may not look like other city centers, Krueger acknowledged. But it functions like other city centers, the source of street life and urban vitality. It's defined by the same features as the center of "real" cities, like the Loop in Chicago and Manhattan in New York City, he said in his thesis. "I don't want to say it's comparable to Manhattan or the Loop in any aesthetic sense; obviously it's not," he said. "Los Angeles has its own way of making a center." Krueger's map captures something real and true about Los Angeles. It encompasses the parts of the city where buzz begins and public life flourishes. It's the L.A. that matters. But I couldn't quite get my head around the logic he used to come up with the boundaries. Krueger agreed to meet me at Umami Burger in Santa Monica so he could show me what he was talking about. The joint was jumping. Across from us, a young mother, with the help of two nannies, struggled to keep her little noise-makers in check. Dudes drank beer and peered into their smartphones, reading text messages. The thriving Umami burger chain could be a metaphor for Krueger's corridor: it started in mid-Wilshire, spread to Los Feliz and downtown and landed in Santa Monica, inside the trendy retail emporium Fred Segal. After dinner, we walked to 4th Street, where Krueger pointed out Magicopolis, a magic shop that also does live theater. Nearby was a juice bar, a cafe and full-service restaurants. "There's also a lot of hotels around here," Krueger said. "The whole point of my thesis is you might have a cluster of coffee shops, but that is not an urban cluster. It's when lots of different kinds of places are all occurring in the same vicinity." On the Third Street Promenade, a break dance troupe was performing. The troupe leader, "Thrill," pulled Krueger into the center of the circle of onlookers and tried to embarrass him into emptying his pockets. Thrill, an African American, addressed Krueger exclusively as "tall white man." "That was interesting," Krueger said afterward, apparently undaunted. We passed a 71-year-old dancer in gauzy veils performing under the name "Scheherazade." "A lot of people who say Los Angeles has no street life must not be visiting the parts of town I'm visiting," said Krueger, who lives in Hollywood. . The Santa Monica Pier was full of families, tweens and teens and strolling lovers. It draws people from all over the city, Krueger said."You may not have come here in 5 or 10 years," Krueger said. "But everybody comes here sometimes." At the tip of the pier, we paused to watch the moonlight shimmer on the water. "People say we don't have a Central Park," Krueger said. "But it's staring them in the face: 100 miles of shoreline." One of the interesting things about Krueger's analysis is how it breaks down the racial Balkanization through which L.A. is normally viewed. There's no need to gentrify places like Koreatown and the Broadway shopping district downtown, he says; they're already urban gems. . "Broadway doesn't need revitalization," he said. "The upper stories of the buildings could be more active, but the street life is already incredibly vibrant."Kreuger's theory has attracted some pushback. It rejects traditional definitions of city center based on employment or commercial activity. The Santa Monica/Wilshire Corridor is not uniform and its boundaries are fuzzy; there's a hole in the middle for Hancock Park, a glitzy residential neighborhood with few "urban amenities." Krueger, in his thesis, calls it a "postmodern urban center," which is another way of saying not your father's urban center, I guess. But the biggest objections have come from people in places like Pasadena or Alhambra who don't see L.A as a focal point at all. "A lot of people don't see the structure," Krueger told me. While we were finishing up at Umami, a young man at the next table leaned over and asked to see Krueger's map. "Where did you get this?" said Evan Waddell, 23, a native of Palos Verdes who works at a tech startup in Venice. "It's so cool." Krueger offered to email him a copy. "To be honest, I never go east of Beverly Hills," Waddell said. . ![]() . Waddell's orientation may skew South Bay and the Westside, but he knows Hollywood, West Hollywood, Melrose Avenue and clearly Santa Monica, where a chance encounter blossomed into a discussion among strangers. That's what happens in urban centers."Great cities of the world define themselves," Krueger said. "Los Angeles is generally acknowledged as one of the five, six most iconic and dynamic cities in the world. Why shouldn't we try to appreciate what it has to offer on its own terms?" GAIL HOLLAND LOSANGELESTIMES
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UGH!! We already knew this!! Personally go back over my past 4,000+ posts and I've been preaching this since 2005. What I don't like is the insinuation that somehow this urban core is different from Chicago and NYC then they give Manhattan Island as an example. Does the journalist understand that Manhattan is 13 miles long and 3 1/2 miles wide in some places. As such, this strip (depending on where one starts) is 13-15 miles long and up to 5 miles wide in some places and smaller than that in many others. Through research and empirical observations I've been saying that this strip is our "Manhattan" for like EVER! Yes, LA is a large metro area but so is NYC. No one includes Shea Stadium as part of NYC's core so why should we have to include Disneyland or Orange County as no one includes Long Island or Jersey. This strip of land holds mostly ALL in our metro area. Our business districts, cultural institutions, highest contiguous densities, universities, tourist attractions, civic center and on and on. Anyone on this board who thinks that this article is a revelation needs to drop their SSC card in the box on their way out.
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It's not a revelation. We should all know that. But it's good to hear stuff like this from someone else. I would't be surprised if people who moved out to the Inland Empire decades ago still think that Los Angeles in an unimaginable hell compared to their own situation.
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Klams? Klams Klams Klams Klams Klams!
My sweet Klams! Look at Mr. Krueger's graphic here: . . You should "Google" Samuel Krueger, USC, Los Angeles and his 2012 study, as well as his 2008 study, as it's interesting and really in-depth! . I had to look up Shea Stadium as I'm not familiar with the area, and it's in a "Queens?" park called Flushing Meadows-Corona Park? . This is where the clarifications used between two different cities tend to differ. If you're talking about "cores" then you realize Los Angeles, as a metropolitan, is polycentric in nature. If you talk about Metropolitan areas, then Citi Field is in that New York metro, but then so is the Meadowlands complex, and I'm sure Citizens Bank Park and Lincoln Financial Field would be included also. . 'Cause they're in other cities and other States! ![]() . I'm proud Los Angeles seems to be IT'S OWN metropolitan area, and NEEDS no other inclusions. . . Oh Klams ....
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Interesting. That graphic seems to suggest that all of Los Angeles core urban nodes can all actually fit nicely within Manhattan. Los Angeles financial District can fit snugly within lower Manhattan. Korea Town - Wilshire, Beverly Hills triangle and Hollywood Blvd can all fit within Manhattan's Midtown - Upper East/West sides. And Santa Monica can fit within Harlem/Washington Heights. The only difference seems to be that New York has all these areas connected rather "fluidly" whereas LA has them separated by sleepy neighborhoods. Which makes the city appear to be more expansive and poly centric than what it actually is. It would be like having Staten island in between Lower Manhattan and Midtown while union square, flatiron district and Chelsea are thrown somewhere in the middle of Queens or Brooklyn.
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Please, guys - let's not take the overlay literally.
If Los Angeles were a sandbar in the middle of a river it wouldn't be multi-nodal. Read the studies, he uses the same criteria for other cities and applies that criteria for his Los Angeles results. Honestly, you guys my goodness!
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So what's your point "milky"?
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KLAMS! Please! You're embarrassing us all.
The points made are Samuel Krueger's. . HONESTLY!
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I'm on-board with the idea that comparing Manhattan and LA sometimes brings interesting points to light. Some thoughts:
- as Bronxwood says, NY is far more continuous in its density; whether this is a good thing or not is a matter of opinion; I like to hope that LA's avoids the over-crowding of Manhattan - NY has its professional sports venues scattered in Manhattan, the Bronx, Queens, NJ, Brooklyn and LI; for some reason, some LA people want our hockey, basketball, football and baseball in half a mile of DT - to get more accurate, you should probably cut-off Manhattan at 100th or so. After that it is still dense but not institutional like center cities are. You may also want to add adjacent bits of Brooklyn or Jersey City. But there's no value to getting pedantic here; it's just a broad-based comparison. |
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