Balt/Wash Baseball Thread...O's and Nats!!

micrip · March 11th, 2007, 07:40 PM

Now that spring is here, its time to turn to thoughts of baseball. Which of the 2 teams will be the most successful this year, the O's or the Nats? Is the area big enough to support 2 teams, especially after the new stadium in DC is completed? Will this competition force Peter Angelos to finally get more aggressive at improving the O's? Does anyone have any shots of the new DC stadium under construction?

Lots of questions, but it is a long season.

Here's a dreamy day at Camden Yards from a couple of seasons ago...

B'moreOrioles · March 12th, 2007, 02:38 AM

I don't have any shots of it under construction, but I have this rendering. Their stadium looks pretty cool.

dano8710 · March 12th, 2007, 04:21 AM

Orioles vs. Nationals in 2007 WS ....how great would that be

NovaWolverine · March 12th, 2007, 04:23 AM

lol, one can hope...

I say we wait a couple more yrs so the ballpark district around the stadium is better.

NovaWolverine · March 12th, 2007, 04:26 AM

Before - 8/06

After - 2/07

These are all taken from JDland.com, in the near SE development section

NovaWolverine · March 12th, 2007, 04:29 AM

A lot of this stuff won't be done for 3 or 4 yrs. And there's a lot more stuff coming too. This was all taken from the same source.

micrip · March 12th, 2007, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dano8710

Orioles vs. Nationals in 2007 WS ....how great would that be

It would be great, but I was surprised at the lack of overall buzz surrounding the first interleague series between the 2 teams last season. Frank being gone isn't going to help matters this year, either.

Xander21 · March 12th, 2007, 05:08 PM

It's truly sad that the O's recent woes have begun to really affect surrounding businesses and attractions at Camden Yards.

The Sports Legends Mueseum and Geppi's Entertainment Mueseum, along with the Babe Ruth Birthplace are all suffering from low attendance - in large part due to dwindling attendance at O's games. And these are great additions to downtown that should be thriving. How many other cities have TWO sports mueseums and an entertainment/pop culture mueseum?

And while I don't know any figures, I'm sure bars and restaurants around Oriole Park are hurting too. The Wharf Rat, Sliders, Pickles, Luna Del Sea, DSX etc... all depend heavily on traffic from O's games. Without it, that area is very desolate.

The O's look promising this spring. Bedard/Cabrera/Lowen will take them as far as they go. And so far they've had stellar outings in ST. If the O's can play over .500 baseball and be in the Wild Card hunt until September, the fans will come back, at least somewhat.

For some the damage is beyond repair. They won't return until Angelos sells. I for one support the team, beyond the crappy owner, but every year that the same stuff keeps happening, it's harder and harder. I'll be in the stands hopefully 6-10 times this summer. I hope I have something to cheer for, and a lot of other people there with me to cheer with.

HAudidoody · March 12th, 2007, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micrip

It would be great, but I was surprised at the lack of overall buzz surrounding the first interleague series between the 2 teams last season. Frank being gone isn't going to help matters this year, either.

Frank being gone is the best thing to happen to this team since it moved here. Great player, terrible manager. Not an uncommon combination.

B'moreOrioles · March 12th, 2007, 08:06 PM

The best thing to happen to since you guys moved here? I highly resent that. You guys don't win to begin with and when you get a good manager, you shove him out the door. Great player? YES. Terrible manager? I think not.

1. In three years as manager of the Cleveland Indians, he leads them to a winning record two out of three years.

2. In four years as manager of the San Francisco Giants, he leads them to four winning seasons.

3. Before moving to D.C., the man leads the lowly Montreal Expos to three winning seasons in three years (And believe me, for the Expos, that's pretty damn good).

4. And in two years as manager of the Nationals, one of those two seasons was finished with an 81-81 record in 2005. 2006 was 71-91.

Not the greatest stats in the world, but I sure wouldn't use the word "terrible". That's going to the extreme, don't you think?

Balmurfan · March 13th, 2007, 07:54 AM

I love the view from inside of Camden Yards except for that God awful Holiday Inn hotel. I wish they would tear down that ugly monstrosity and build a beautiful 30-35 story mixed use tower on that site. I am sure that won't happen, but it doesn't hurt to wish. Beside you probably won't see it after the ugly Hilton is built anyway.

micrip · March 13th, 2007, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balmurfan

I love the view from inside of Camden Yards except for that God awful Holiday Inn hotel. I wish they would tear down that ugly monstrosity and build a beautiful 30-35 story mixed use tower on that site. I am sure that won't happen, but it doesn't hurt to wish. Beside you probably won't see it after the ugly Hilton is built anyway.

Not awful..just dated. When it was built in the early '60's, it was considered pretty cool and modern looking. It was built just after the Civic Center opened...I think the Beatles stayed there when they visited Baltimore.

With all the new hotels coming on-line in the next few years, it wouldn't surprise me if that site gets redeveloped.

B'moreOrioles · March 13th, 2007, 05:15 PM

I just realized that we don't play home at all the first week. At Minnesota and then at New York. UGH!!!!

Xander21 · March 13th, 2007, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B'moreOrioles

I just realized that we don't play home at all the first week. At Minnesota and then at New York. UGH!!!!

Sucks doesn't it? First time in something like 15 years, that we haven't opened at home.

Gsol · March 13th, 2007, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balmurfan

I love the view from inside of Camden Yards except for that God awful Holiday Inn hotel. I wish they would tear down that ugly monstrosity and build a beautiful 30-35 story mixed use tower on that site. I am sure that won't happen, but it doesn't hurt to wish. Beside you probably won't see it after the ugly Hilton is built anyway.

I agree, the whole site needs to be reconfigured right up to that garage on Pratt St. It is underutilized.

I am going to see the Os play in Seattle in July. I like to stay in the same hotel as the team. Does anyone know? The Yankees stayed at the Westin. Perhaps that's where most teams stay. Its kind of neat to hang out at the hotel bar with players, coachs and announcers. Some do hang out, most don't.

prelude91 · March 13th, 2007, 10:38 PM

Updated: March 13, 2007, 3:08 PM ET
New Nats stadium on schedule for 2008 openerAssociated Press

WASHINGTON -- Come April 2008, Ryan Zimmerman might become the first player in major league history to hit a home run into a cherry tree.

A grove of cherry blossoms behind the left field bleachers is one of the latest additions to the plans of the Washington Nationals stadium.

"We couldn't find another ballpark that had trees in the ballpark," team president Stan Kasten said Tuesday at the launch of a campaign to sell luxury suites.

Kasten said construction of the 41,000-seat ballpark remains on schedule for completion by Opening Day next year. The outline has taken shape, with the steel and concrete frame of the upper deck rising above the site along the Anacostia River.

"There's no question it's going to open on time," Kasten said.

While the city has agreed to spend up to $611 million to build the stadium, Kasten said the team's principle owners, the Lerner family, are spending tens of millions of dollars more on "jazzing up the park." Several issues remain to be resolved, particularly involving traffic flow and parking.

"As you know, there are an awful lot of people with different interests in this city," Kasten said with a smile, "and we're blessed with advice from all of them."

The stadium has the temporary name of"Nationals Park, although that will change once the naming rights are sold. In an era in which nearly everything is for sale, Kasten said the team might even sell the naming rights to the levels of luxury suites, which currently bear the names of presidents Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln.

Inside the more posh areas of the ballpark, amenities include the "Oval Office Bar." The ballpark has 66 suites, and all are located around the infield.

The stadium already had a distinctive plan with its use of glass, brick and limestone, but Kasten said the cherry blossoms will create a look Americans associate only with the nation's capital.

"You see those," Kasten said, "And you know you're either in D.C. or Japan."

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

MasonsInquiries · March 14th, 2007, 02:20 AM

i still would say that baltimore has the best-looking stadium in baseball. it's just a stadium with so much creativity. i love it!

micrip · March 14th, 2007, 09:47 AM

Memorial Stadium had trees...it was almost a forest, actually. When the ballpark opened in 1954, the outfield fence was a hedge!! That didn't last long, though.

prelude91 · March 14th, 2007, 02:06 PM

i think coors field in denver has evergreens near the bleachers.

anyway, i agree, i think camden yards is the best looking ballpark in the majors (at least modern stadium)

have many baseball fans in the dc area started to hate the orioles now that the nats are there? do the two teams fans have that hatred yet? or is it still too early?

BalWash · March 14th, 2007, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prelude91

i think coors field in denver has evergreens near the bleachers.

anyway, i agree, i think camden yards is the best looking ballpark in the majors (at least modern stadium)

have many baseball fans in the dc area started to hate the orioles now that the nats are there? do the two teams fans have that hatred yet? or is it still too early?

I'm still a Orioles fan even though I went to a high school named after a former Senators player and I live much closer to DC.

March 11th, 2007, 07:40 PM	#1
micrip Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Baltimore Posts: 2,432 Likes (Received): 13	Balt/Wash Baseball Thread...O's and Nats!! Now that spring is here, its time to turn to thoughts of baseball. Which of the 2 teams will be the most successful this year, the O's or the Nats? Is the area big enough to support 2 teams, especially after the new stadium in DC is completed? Will this competition force Peter Angelos to finally get more aggressive at improving the O's? Does anyone have any shots of the new DC stadium under construction? Lots of questions, but it is a long season. Here's a dreamy day at Camden Yards from a couple of seasons ago...

March 12th, 2007, 05:08 PM	#8
Xander21 B-More Believer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Canton Posts: 204 Likes (Received): 0	It's truly sad that the O's recent woes have begun to really affect surrounding businesses and attractions at Camden Yards. The Sports Legends Mueseum and Geppi's Entertainment Mueseum, along with the Babe Ruth Birthplace are all suffering from low attendance - in large part due to dwindling attendance at O's games. And these are great additions to downtown that should be thriving. How many other cities have TWO sports mueseums and an entertainment/pop culture mueseum? And while I don't know any figures, I'm sure bars and restaurants around Oriole Park are hurting too. The Wharf Rat, Sliders, Pickles, Luna Del Sea, DSX etc... all depend heavily on traffic from O's games. Without it, that area is very desolate. The O's look promising this spring. Bedard/Cabrera/Lowen will take them as far as they go. And so far they've had stellar outings in ST. If the O's can play over .500 baseball and be in the Wild Card hunt until September, the fans will come back, at least somewhat. For some the damage is beyond repair. They won't return until Angelos sells. I for one support the team, beyond the crappy owner, but every year that the same stuff keeps happening, it's harder and harder. I'll be in the stands hopefully 6-10 times this summer. I hope I have something to cheer for, and a lot of other people there with me to cheer with. __________________ "I like Baltimore - despite its slicked-up touristy waterfront it remains a seedy old port city, reformable only to a negligible degree." -- Larry McMurtry

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March 12th, 2007, 02:38 AM	#2
B'moreOrioles B'MORE LIKE CHARM CITY Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Baltimore Posts: 220 Likes (Received): 0	I don't have any shots of it under construction, but I have this rendering. Their stadium looks pretty cool.

March 12th, 2007, 04:21 AM	#3
dano8710 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 5 Likes (Received): 0	Orioles vs. Nationals in 2007 WS ....how great would that be

March 12th, 2007, 04:23 AM	#4
NovaWolverine Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 2,622 Likes (Received): 1	lol, one can hope... I say we wait a couple more yrs so the ballpark district around the stadium is better.

March 12th, 2007, 04:26 AM	#5
NovaWolverine Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 2,622 Likes (Received): 1	Before - 8/06 After - 2/07 These are all taken from JDland.com, in the near SE development section

March 12th, 2007, 04:29 AM	#6
NovaWolverine Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 2,622 Likes (Received): 1	A lot of this stuff won't be done for 3 or 4 yrs. And there's a lot more stuff coming too. This was all taken from the same source.

March 12th, 2007, 08:06 PM	#10
B'moreOrioles B'MORE LIKE CHARM CITY Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Baltimore Posts: 220 Likes (Received): 0	The best thing to happen to since you guys moved here? I highly resent that. You guys don't win to begin with and when you get a good manager, you shove him out the door. Great player? YES. Terrible manager? I think not. 1. In three years as manager of the Cleveland Indians, he leads them to a winning record two out of three years. 2. In four years as manager of the San Francisco Giants, he leads them to four winning seasons. 3. Before moving to D.C., the man leads the lowly Montreal Expos to three winning seasons in three years (And believe me, for the Expos, that's pretty damn good). 4. And in two years as manager of the Nationals, one of those two seasons was finished with an 81-81 record in 2005. 2006 was 71-91. Not the greatest stats in the world, but I sure wouldn't use the word "terrible". That's going to the extreme, don't you think?

March 13th, 2007, 07:54 AM	#11
Balmurfan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 629 Likes (Received): 2	I love the view from inside of Camden Yards except for that God awful Holiday Inn hotel. I wish they would tear down that ugly monstrosity and build a beautiful 30-35 story mixed use tower on that site. I am sure that won't happen, but it doesn't hurt to wish. Beside you probably won't see it after the ugly Hilton is built anyway.

March 13th, 2007, 05:15 PM	#13
B'moreOrioles B'MORE LIKE CHARM CITY Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Baltimore Posts: 220 Likes (Received): 0	I just realized that we don't play home at all the first week. At Minnesota and then at New York. UGH!!!!

March 13th, 2007, 10:38 PM	#16
prelude91 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago...Soon to be Washington D.C. Posts: 1,253 Likes (Received): 0	Updated: March 13, 2007, 3:08 PM ET New Nats stadium on schedule for 2008 openerAssociated Press WASHINGTON -- Come April 2008, Ryan Zimmerman might become the first player in major league history to hit a home run into a cherry tree. A grove of cherry blossoms behind the left field bleachers is one of the latest additions to the plans of the Washington Nationals stadium. "We couldn't find another ballpark that had trees in the ballpark," team president Stan Kasten said Tuesday at the launch of a campaign to sell luxury suites. Kasten said construction of the 41,000-seat ballpark remains on schedule for completion by Opening Day next year. The outline has taken shape, with the steel and concrete frame of the upper deck rising above the site along the Anacostia River. "There's no question it's going to open on time," Kasten said. While the city has agreed to spend up to $611 million to build the stadium, Kasten said the team's principle owners, the Lerner family, are spending tens of millions of dollars more on "jazzing up the park." Several issues remain to be resolved, particularly involving traffic flow and parking. "As you know, there are an awful lot of people with different interests in this city," Kasten said with a smile, "and we're blessed with advice from all of them." The stadium has the temporary name of"Nationals Park, although that will change once the naming rights are sold. In an era in which nearly everything is for sale, Kasten said the team might even sell the naming rights to the levels of luxury suites, which currently bear the names of presidents Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln. Inside the more posh areas of the ballpark, amenities include the "Oval Office Bar." The ballpark has 66 suites, and all are located around the infield. The stadium already had a distinctive plan with its use of glass, brick and limestone, but Kasten said the cherry blossoms will create a look Americans associate only with the nation's capital. "You see those," Kasten said, "And you know you're either in D.C. or Japan." Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

March 14th, 2007, 02:20 AM	#17
MasonsInquiries B-MORE than u strive for! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Baltimore/Columbia, Md. Posts: 2,259 Likes (Received): 0	i still would say that baltimore has the best-looking stadium in baseball. it's just a stadium with so much creativity. i love it!

March 14th, 2007, 09:47 AM	#18
micrip Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Baltimore Posts: 2,432 Likes (Received): 13	Memorial Stadium had trees...it was almost a forest, actually. When the ballpark opened in 1954, the outfield fence was a hedge!! That didn't last long, though.

March 14th, 2007, 02:06 PM	#19
prelude91 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago...Soon to be Washington D.C. Posts: 1,253 Likes (Received): 0	i think coors field in denver has evergreens near the bleachers. anyway, i agree, i think camden yards is the best looking ballpark in the majors (at least modern stadium) have many baseball fans in the dc area started to hate the orioles now that the nats are there? do the two teams fans have that hatred yet? or is it still too early?