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Old August 12th, 2013, 07:21 PM   #17021
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read the news today... In TOI, its being said that Nagavara Line is to be extended via Hebbal and Yelahanka. How is that possible?, because Hebbal lies before nagavara. Moreover, we had discussed here, and also BMRC sources were that extension will not have Yelahanka in its way.
Whatever TOI has reported today, is wrong as the proposed extension to BIA is along Nagavara (and probably other areas like Dodda Gubbi, Bileshivale etc.) and not Yelahanka. The reporter seems to be of the opinion that the planned metro link between Yelahanka and Sarjapur would be extended to the airport, which is not the case. Though it is a fact that Bangaloreans still do not have much reason to think of reaching BIAL through any other route other than the one through Hebbal and Yelahanka, it is surprising that a journalist is not aware of the exact developments....

However, I am personally in favor of such an extension happening as it would mean that 2 lines (from Nagavara and Yelahanka) connect BIAL to the rest of the city. It would also enhance Hebbal's status as an intermodal transit hub.

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2 lines (from Nagavara and Yelahanka) connect BIAL to the rest of the city. It would also enhance Hebbal's status as an intermodal transit hub.
Metro construction costs are already too high + there is really no need for two long lines to BIA. Even one line may take long to build up ridership levels since the area past Manyata has just started developing only a few years back.
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Old August 12th, 2013, 07:46 PM   #17023
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Metro construction costs are already too high + there is really no need for two long lines to BIA. Even one line may take long to build up ridership levels since the area past Manyata has just started developing only a few years back.
I definitely agree that the construction costs are high. However, in my opinion the ridership issues arise only in the case of a high speed rail link whose fares are not generally within the reach of most budget travellers (those taking the public transport to reach the airport). Moreover, such a project is of no use to passengers to any place other than the airport; this is not the case with the metro as it serves all the residential and commercial areas on the way to the airport, equally well.

It may not really be long before the areas in the airport's neighbourhood develop, considering the projects that we are getting to read of nowadays, so the metro even if extended beyond the airport with an interchange station at trumpet interchange, may not run empty. To cut down the costs, they can explore the possibility of laying the tracks at the grade level as an elevated line may not really happen at certain locations due to the presence of Yelahanka airforce base.
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Old August 12th, 2013, 08:16 PM   #17024
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Old August 12th, 2013, 09:19 PM   #17025
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Excellent photos.. Thanks!

But, looking at the pictures, I have no idea how they have been saying that it will be opened in Jul(?), Aug, Sep, etc.. IMO, it will take at least 3 months to finish all the work. Probably Dec, or a new year gift..

It's comical.. Something like kids telling their parents that they will be done with their homework in 30 min, 20 min, 5 min..., while knowing that they are no where near being done.

I know the constraints, the nature of the job, etc.. But, after the Mantri and Soap factory fiasco, there is no one else other than the contractors to blame for this delay.

Having gone thru the same never ending deadlines in the Purple line, they should have just given themselves an easier deadline, worked a little harder, delivered a little bit early and gained some trust.. It's almost like "Tola bantu Tola" (boy shouting that wolves are coming to eat his sheep). They have lost all credibility (now that both State and Central govts are Cong).

I do respect them and am thankful for what they are doing. It's just a constructive criticism.

What are they doing with all the excavated/drilled soil? Where are they dumping it? Already Bangalore has issues with landfills - no where to dump all the waste. So, where are these guys dumping all of that soil? I hope they are not destroying any remaining lakes/forests..

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Old August 13th, 2013, 12:20 AM   #17026
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Kharola says he will fix problems at the first opportunity

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Pradeep Singh Kharola, who assumed office as the Managing Director of Bangalore Metro Rail Corporation Limited (BMRCL) on Monday, said that his priority was to ensure that the working of the corporation was transparent and hassle-free.

Speaking to reporters at an informal gathering, he said that although there were not many major problems in the BMRCL, small glitches would be fixed.

BMRCL has been at the receiving end of public anger for allegedly withholding information and initiating projects without public debate and consent. Former Managing Director of BMRCL, N Sivasailam, had said at a recent public interaction, “I tweet project details. Our website too has plenty of information regarding the projects.”

However, people had expressed dissatisfaction about his comment, saying that Twitter and the BMRCL website were not of much use to people who cannot read English.

Consequently, the BMRCL decided to make the website bi-lingual. But the effort was limited only to the home page. Key content and essential information on the website were displayed in English alone.

When a journalist questioned the quality of the website, calling it inferior to that of the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation, Sivasailam said they would work on improving the site soon.

Kharola said it would take some time for him to be able to comment on specific issues relating to the Corporation or the project.

“We are committed to adhering to deadlines and will work towards the expedited completion of works. We will throw open the Metro reaches to the public as early as possible.”

When questioned about the phase-II project near Jayadeva Hospital, which has become a cause for concern among citizens, he said that the Corporation would try to fix the problem soon. He added that it was too early to comment on the implementation of phase-II as the process had just begun.

He said the Corporation would take measures to ensure safety of labourers and also prevent accidents. BMRCL has been a talking point lately for lax safety measures, with even the High Court criticising BMRCL on the matter.

Meanwhile, the Union Labour Department has issued a show-cause notice to several contractors of BMRCL, seeking the reason for the impounding of their licences.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 09:29 AM   #17027
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No compromise on safety or deadline, says new Bangalore metro boss

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BANGALORE: Barely three hours after he stepped into his new shoes as head of the Bangalore Metro project, Pradeep Singh Kharola knew it was no cushy job. But the recipient of the Prime Minister's award for excellence in public administration last year believes the journey should be effortless. In a free-wheeling interview with TOI on Monday, he talks about deadlines, transparency and the safety of one of Bangalore's biggest infrastructure projects.

You've taken charge at a crucial stage, where only one leg of Phase I of the project is complete. Bangaloreans' expectations are rising. How will you keep up with the deadlines?

I've just taken charge of Bangalore Metro Rail Corporation and am trying to understand its structure and processes. I have the responsibility to see the entire network is completed expeditiously. There are deadlines, and we should gear our sources to stick to them. Give me some time.

On two occasions, the high court pulled up BMRC on the issue of safety, and even threatened to stop work. How will you ensure safety without compromising on deadlines?

As chief executive, I have the prime responsibility of delivering the train to this city. Safety is paramount. I admit road users have been put to discomfort but we cannot compromise on safety, both for citizens and workers. My engineering teams will do their best to ensure this. I promise to look into the loopholes, if any.

BMRC is not known for transparency. Do you agree that a big project like this needs to be transparent in its functioning?

We're a public limited company, a government body and are answerable under the RTI. I promise we'll be totally transparent. There's no question of me or BMRC being inaccessible to the people or media.

BMRC has never sought public consent though the metro is a public infrastructure project. A DPR is sent to the government, and after approval, it's thrust on the public. Is this fair?

It's a large and complex project. Alignment and location of stations do throw up questions which can be addressed by taking the views of all stakeholders. Everyone cannot be satisfied but at least their views can be heard. It's too early to comment on any plan.

A lack of coordination between the BBMP and BMRC is responsible for our pathetic roads. How will you change this?

I understand roads are getting damaged due to heavy construction in the middle or along the sides of roads. I'll sort this out with BBMP commissioner M Lakshminarayana.

March 2015 is the new deadline for Phase 1. Assuming it's not completed, will you start Phase 2?

Surveys are on simultaneously so the project is not delayed. We'll try to complete the project at the earliest and deliver it on time to Bangaloreans.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 10:03 AM   #17028
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extending nagavara line is little foolish, because there is no much development/population after Nagavara in that line. Also, consider a person from jayanagar or south bangalore who wants to reach airport. he cannot reach nagavara fast to alight a metro to BIA, since it does not come on or near NH.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 10:47 AM   #17029
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Old August 13th, 2013, 10:57 AM   #17030
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Old August 13th, 2013, 11:09 AM   #17031
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Old August 13th, 2013, 12:42 PM   #17032
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extending nagavara line is little foolish, because there is no much development/population after Nagavara in that line. Also, consider a person from jayanagar or south bangalore who wants to reach airport. he cannot reach nagavara fast to alight a metro to BIA, since it does not come on or near NH.
We all know that the corridors along which metro has been planned, are seeing development. It would be same with the areas between Nagavara and Devanahalli. For the time being, a person from South Bangalore can continue to reach the airport in the same manner that he is doing at present. Once the line is extended, I don't think the airport-bound passengers need to alight the train at Nagavara and board a second train to the airport; the same train would take him all the way to the airport, unless I am thoroughly mistaken.

However, I fail to understand the logic behind terminating the line at Gottigere. Is there any specific reason for this? In my opinion, the line should have been extended to Anekal via Bannerghatta, National park and Jigani; a second option would have been to enter Electronics City through its backyard and terminate the line at the junction of Hosur road, so that the whole of E-city is covered. The Bommasandra line I believe, involves only one station at the entrance and therefore the people would still need to walk to their offices after alighting the train. Not a problem but there existed a better solution in my opinion.

I know it involves a huge cost, but when it comes to developing quality infrastructure like the metro, they should have sought to cover as many areas as possible.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 01:17 PM   #17033
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My dream was to have "airport train terminals" in various stations in the city, where one could check in their baggage and collect boarding passes at the terminals itself. For example, one station in Jayanagar could have been expanded and a "sterile section" could have been created where there would be airline desks, where a person would check in his baggage, and the baggage would be loaded onto the next BIAL-bound train. The passenger would enter the train with his hand baggage and boarding pass, and would be transported straight to BIAL, where he can get off and walk into the terminal and straight to security check.

There could have been 3-4 stations like this, with airline desks and boarding-pass and check-in facilities. Maybe one in Jayanagar, one on Mysore road, one in ITPL, one in Indiranagar, one in Hebbal, one in Yeshwanthpur, etc.

This would solve the problem of airport commute forever. The traffic on BIAL stretch would reduce to a trickle. People would take taxis or autos only to the closest "airport station" - for example, someone in BTM would take a taxi only to Jayanagar, someone in Banashankri 3rd stage would take a taxi only to Mysore road, etc. From there, he would check in his baggage, sit in the train, and get off directly at BIAL, only for security check.

This is just a dream, I know that it will never happen. But just imagine if it were to become a reality - there is no harm in dreaming anyway.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 02:08 PM   #17034
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tejaswi, what you said was partly right. but you can't neglect a developed area. Your opinion seems to be like this, since Jayanagar is already developed and populated, we shouldn't have had metro there. We should have had it(same metro infrastructure) to the somewhere outside so that we can develop that area(which is at outskirt). So, you are of the opinion, stretch metro to an undeveloped area to develop it.

Jholwala, nice imagination. But, it takes lot of understanding between the airlines and BMRC for this to happen.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 02:52 PM   #17035
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My dream was to have "airport train terminals" in various stations in the city, where one could check in their baggage and collect boarding passes at the terminals itself. For example, one station in Jayanagar could have been expanded and a "sterile section" could have been created where there would be airline desks, where a person would check in his baggage, and the baggage would be loaded onto the next BIAL-bound train. The passenger would enter the train with his hand baggage and boarding pass, and would be transported straight to BIAL, where he can get off and walk into the terminal and straight to security check.

There could have been 3-4 stations like this, with airline desks and boarding-pass and check-in facilities. Maybe one in Jayanagar, one on Mysore road, one in ITPL, one in Indiranagar, one in Hebbal, one in Yeshwanthpur, etc.

This would solve the problem of airport commute forever. The traffic on BIAL stretch would reduce to a trickle. People would take taxis or autos only to the closest "airport station" - for example, someone in BTM would take a taxi only to Jayanagar, someone in Banashankri 3rd stage would take a taxi only to Mysore road, etc. From there, he would check in his baggage, sit in the train, and get off directly at BIAL, only for security check.

This is just a dream, I know that it will never happen. But just imagine if it were to become a reality - there is no harm in dreaming anyway.
If I am not wrong this was what was planned for Hebbal and Yelahanka as a part of the HSRL project. Now that the metro reaching the airport is a certainty, it is not altogether intangible to achieve this, provided there is co-ordination between the airlines and BMRCL.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 02:59 PM   #17036
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tejaswi, what you said was partly right. but you can't neglect a developed area. Your opinion seems to be like this, since Jayanagar is already developed and populated, we shouldn't have had metro there. We should have had it(same metro infrastructure) to the somewhere outside so that we can develop that area(which is at outskirt). So, you are of the opinion, stretch metro to an undeveloped area to develop it.
I don't understand which part of my earlier post conveyed such a message. If I really meant such a thing, then I would have said it in plain words that metro to Jayanagar is of no use. My intention was to enhance the levels of coverage and that was exactly why I sought to cover a region like Electronics city by the metro, in the same post. By the same token I proposed the alternative of extending it to Anekal, another place from which loads of people travel to the city. This was clearly because I still do not see a logic behind terminating the line at Gottigere.

Since you were of the opinion that extension of the metro to airport is not of much use as the localities beyond Nagavara are not as developed, I sought to convey that such a thing must not restrain BMRCL from extending the metro beyond Nagavara, as such a move is bound to bring in a lot of development along the entire corridor. Once the line is extended, people need not change trains at Nagavara; prior to the extension i.e now, people can continue to reach the airport by cabs, buses or private transport, as there is no option of metro......

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I don't understand which part of my earlier post conveyed such a message. If I really meant such a thing, then I would have said it in plain words that metro to Jayanagar is of no use. My intention was to enhance the levels of coverage and that was exactly why I sought to cover a region like Electronics city by the metro, in the same post. By the same token I proposed the alternative of extending it to Anekal, another place from which loads of people travel to the city. This was clearly because I still do not see a logic behind terminating the line at Gottigere.

Since you were of the opinion that extension of the metro to airport is not of much use as the localities beyond Nagavara are not as developed, I sought to convey that such a thing must not restrain BMRCL from extending the metro beyond Nagavara, as such a move is bound to bring in a lot of development along the entire corridor. Once the line is extended, people need not change trains at Nagavara; prior to the extension i.e now, people can continue to reach the airport by cabs, buses or private transport, as there is no option of metro......

I might be wrong , but just my 2 paisa here:
1. The density of population near BGNP beyond gottigere is far less to have any station till EC .
2. We are adding around 8-9km and once we reach EC lot of drama would happen for parting with land like the way ITPL guys are. Roads are very narrow (just single lane) and steep turns.
3. Coming to development it might not be so easy as we have a National Park around this ( not sure if this is what alignment you thought of)
4. We cannot have metro to the door steps of every Banglorean and IT folks have to walk :-P ...
5. Companies together would start shuttle services once we have the rail chugging may be electric ones ...that would be awesome.
6. Silkboard/BTM/Jayanagar East/HSR/Bommanahalli/ Kudlu all these population would have to thrive on BMTC and Silkboard/BTM would be clogged forever.
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The planned Yelhanka Sarjapur line could be extended to ITIR in the future rather than BIAL.
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No Offense, but i still feel there is always something wrong with BMRC alignments.

Bubba, regarding. If at all ITIR comes into existence, which takes another few decades. And also depends on the scenario then. Would have been very nice if Devanahalli Airport was in Yelahanka. Because there was verymuch free space at Yelahanka decades earlier. They could have done it if they had strived hard.
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The density of population near BGNP beyond gottigere is far less to have any station till EC .. Companies together would start shuttle services
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EC is being connected in ph-2 via the RVrd-Bommasandra line & that should suffice. Instead of company buses plying all across the city, they will start pickup services from nearest stations.
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