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Old May 19th, 2009, 07:41 AM   #2001
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Err, 'Slovene' means the same as 'Slovenian', while 'Croatians' are citizens of Croatia, and 'Croats' is ethnicity, so he said nothing wrong. After all, why would Croats from America care about this road, when they don't even need it?

Have you even driven the road? Except for a few spots, you can do 120 km/h as far as pavement is concerned.

I don't know why there's so much criticizing in this thread (and only in this thread), even though we have one of the densest motorway networks in Europe. The funniest are Bosnians, who hardly have any motorway at all; so when will you build me a motorway to Sarajevo, so I can finally visit it normally?
My point was very clear and not harsh at all. I just had a feeling as it was some regional road where speed limit may be limited.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 08:45 AM   #2002
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Croatian or Slovenian are adjectives in the first place. Sure as hell you can use either at any time, and say I am Croatian, but the only proper form is I am a Croat, unless you want to say I am a Croatian. I will tell you what, Italians or Serbs from Croatia never say they are Croatians, at least not that I know of. They obvisouly cannot be both at the same time, can they? When one of them becomes Croat(ian), he is no more an Italian or Serb, but a Croat, or as you've set your preference - Croatian. Same thing, bro.

Speaking of that fabulous road, it does look better than many roads around here. Don't bother fixing it up, those darn potholes will eventually find their way out.

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Old May 19th, 2009, 12:01 PM   #2003
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I don't know why there's so much criticizing in this thread (and only in this thread), even though we have one of the densest motorway networks in Europe. The funniest are Bosnians, who hardly have any motorway at all; so when will you build me a motorway to Sarajevo, so I can finally visit it normally?
Pathetic as always, but let me explain you.
No one would criticized if you haven´t tried to represent situation on that road as a good and that there is no need for motorway,coz it is fast road 120kmh etc.
And that is just not true! It doesn´t have to do with anything else and especially not with Bosnian motorways. And it is disgusting to make such a stupid remarks about Bosnian roads as if you don´t know that GDP in BiH because of the war collapsed to 20%, that more than 100.000 people died and that millions fled the country!
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Old May 19th, 2009, 12:05 PM   #2004
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Why do you have to travel to Bosnia by car? Come on. Get on a plane and enjoy.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 01:38 PM   #2005
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Why do you have to travel to Bosnia by car? Come on. Get on a plane and enjoy.
In Canada, no one drives car?
Everybody is taking plane?
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Old May 19th, 2009, 02:15 PM   #2006
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My point was very clear and not harsh at all. I just had a feeling as it was some regional road where speed limit may be limited.
I know how shitty the Trans Canada Highway looks like, don't bother explaining how your local roads are like.

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Croatian or Slovenian are adjectives in the first place. Sure as hell you can use either at any time, and say I am Croatian, but the only proper form is I am a Croat, unless you want to say I am a Croatian. I will tell you what, Italians or Serbs from Croatia never say they are Croatians, at least not that I know of. They obvisouly cannot be both at the same time, can they? When one of them becomes Croat(ian), he is no more an Italian or Serb, but a Croat, or as you've set your preference - Croatian. Same thing, bro.
I don't know about Croat-Croatian, it's what I've heard from Croat(ian)s, as for Slovene-Slovenian, click.

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Pathetic as always, but let me explain you.
No one would criticized if you haven´t tried to represent situation on that road as a good and that there is no need for motorway,coz it is fast road 120kmh etc.
Where did I say there was no need for a motorway?
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Why do you have to travel to Bosnia by car? Come on. Get on a plane and enjoy.
I love traveling by car
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Old May 19th, 2009, 04:55 PM   #2008
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Where did I say there was no need for a motorway?
Verso please go back and read all thread. No body was referring to you specifically.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 05:44 PM   #2009
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Err, 'Slovene' means the same as 'Slovenian', while 'Croatians' are citizens of Croatia, and 'Croats' is ethnicity, so he said nothing wrong. After all, why would Croats from America care about this road, when they don't even need it?

Have you even driven the road? Except for a few spots, you can do 120 km/h as far as pavement is concerned.

I don't know why there's so much criticizing in this thread (and only in this thread), even though we have one of the densest motorway networks in Europe. The funniest are Bosnians, who hardly have any motorway at all; so when will you build me a motorway to Sarajevo, so I can finally visit it normally?
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Old May 19th, 2009, 06:34 PM   #2010
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Such lists are almost always incorrect. For instance, Spain had more, while the Netherlands had (and still has) less than what's on that list.

The density of Autobahnen is also not interesting. If you have a high density of autobahnen, it still doesn't says a thing about the actual capacity, for instance, the length of the networks may be similar, but what if the one network are mostly 8 lane freeways, and the other mostly 4 lanes? That's exactly what you don't see on those lists and maps.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 06:47 PM   #2011
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capacity usage would be a better indicator: how many percent of the motorways and main roads are operated above say 70-80% their nominal capacity...

if this is zero, you have a perfect network...
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If the usage would be 0% of the nominal capacity, either a nuclear bomb has been exploded, unemployment went to 100% or all population has died. Not really "perfect".

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Old May 19th, 2009, 07:20 PM   #2013
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not the usage would be zero, but the percent of the roads which has not enough spare capacity...

if all of your trunk roads has enough spare capacity (say 20-30%), your network is perfect...

and this is a more sophisticated indicator than a simple usage-average value, because the latter smooths the anomalies: it creates a 70% value on a network of 100km 20% usage and 100km 120% usage roads...

but my indicator shows a 50% value, which means that half of your network has not enough capacity...

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Old May 19th, 2009, 07:26 PM   #2014
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I had no idea that Estonia has 99km of Autobahn.
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The density of Autobahnen is also not interesting. If you have a high density of autobahnen, it still doesn't says a thing about the actual capacity, for instance, the length of the networks may be similar, but what if the one network are mostly 8 lane freeways, and the other mostly 4 lanes? That's exactly what you don't see on those lists and maps.
That's interesting as far as costs are concerned (although 8-lane motorways in some countries can be cheaper than 4-laned in other countries), but if they have 8-lane motorways in Germany (though there aren't many), then traffic density is surely high, otherwise they'd have less lanes (except in North Korea). We simply don't need so wide motorways in Slovenia, so our network is IMO better, because we don't have many traffic jams. F.e. Dutch motorways are acutely overcrowded, with terrible jams, so they remind me more of expressways, as far as capacity is concerned (no offense, of course ).
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you are so silly. while we are talking about 60 km/ speed limits on that road, you say how barely there are some. on the other hand, while we're talking about bad condition parts, you say that i took photos of all of them. of course i didn't. and about 60 km/h speed limits - there are at least 7 or 8 of them. for 15 km of open road it is really many. as allways, you are adjusting facts just to make the bad things look better without any reality.
Speed limits is 90 km/h. Why only you Croatians can't learn that every speed limit in Slovenia is valid till first intersection, even it is very small and unimportant one? Just drive 100 km/h all the way like the rest of the folk do (this speed is comparable to speed limit to new motorway Krapina-Macelj).

And then just look on the other side of the border. Croatia repaved with high quality asphalt whole section from Macelj to Polje Krapinsko. And what did they do? They lowered speed limit to 60 km/h on ALL section although road is good for 100+ km/h. It rarely goes near any house so this speed limit is absurd.
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again random one. large part of that road is under 60 km/h. just get used to it while you're there.
This speed limit is valid for 20 meters only. Are you blind or why can't you see 20 meters ahead if there is police or something? I found it funny that this kind of road is 90 km/h and majority of new Croatian motorways have 110 km/h.

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and a dirty one for the end. this part will be bypassed with motorway next year (or even this?). so if you won't want to buy a vignette, this will wait you. and ongoing days - you still have no alternative in expensive motorway - you must use this.
That part of the road was destroyed by trucks carrying material for new motorway. It will get repaved after all works are done.
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Speed limits is 90 km/h. Why only you Croatians can't learn that every speed limit in Slovenia is valid till first intersection, even it is very small and unimportant one? Just drive 100 km/h all the way like the rest of the folk do (this speed is comparable to speed limit to new motorway Krapina-Macelj).

And then just look on the other side of the border. Croatia repaved with high quality asphalt whole section from Macelj to Polje Krapinsko. And what did they do? They lowered speed limit to 60 km/h on ALL section although road is good for 100+ km/h. It rarely goes near any house so this speed limit is absurd.
it is just the same whether speed limit lasts for 300 or 500 metres while it isirritating and you simply have to slow down each 2 km.
for D1 from Macelj to Krapina i frankly don't know because since we have built motorway, i haven't used anything except it. in SLO i don't have alternative except this shit of road
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And what difference is this to new Croatian motorway from Macelj to Krapina? You have to slow down every 1 km or so. 110-100-110-100-80-110-100-110-100. Sometimes even for 100 meters.
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majority of new Croatian motorways have 110 km/h.
You should get your eyes examed
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