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Old August 19th, 2009, 08:16 PM   #2441
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^ How could an ordinary road have a status of motorway? Unless you mean when it wasn't A1 yet, but A10. Yes, of course it had status of motorway since it was opened in 1972 (of course just where it was actually a motorway back then (Postojna - Vrhnika)).
I mean dual carriageway north of Ljubljana, before A1 was even constructed
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Old August 19th, 2009, 10:48 PM   #2442
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Why are you building H6, instead of building H5 to reach the Croatian border?
Not to interrupt local traffic on the Slovenian coast. Of course you can always build a 6-lane motorway/expressway, but I guess it's better for our tourism not to have so much transit traffic going there. H6 will also be shorter than H5 would be to the Croatian border.

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I mean dual carriageway north of Ljubljana, before A1 was even constructed
Which road exactly do you mean? Today's H3 or G104 towards Trzin? H3 was signed as A10, but it was always a motorroad (it even used to have speed limit 80 km/h). It was given designation A10, because it's actually wider than motorways. As for G104, I guess it was just #10 (I don't think we had these G* prefixes back then, but I doubt it was A10). Back then it was 4-laned just for 3 km (now it's 7 km) and all 3 km were motorroad (80 km/h, not 100), whereas today only 2 km (100 km/h), the rest is limited to 70 km/h, except 50 km/h through a few intersections. If you don't follow speed limits and if you're not in rush hour, all 7 km are de facto expressway (except, if traffic lights screw you). The last 300 m close to Domžale are designated as R447 (officially R2-447); G104 (officially G2-104) turns left to Kranj.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 02:43 AM   #2443
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^ How could an ordinary road have a status of motorway?
I believe this was quite common in Yugoslavia.

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iu just don't like those 80 km/h speed limits at those divided toll plazas, they should have put dynamic signalization for case of crowd, 80 is totally idiotic to be aall the time. btw, i have photos of MB bypass
I agree. Not to mention that toll plazas are completely empty most of the day.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 02:47 AM   #2444
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There are surely signs for Zagreb and Ljubljana at Pesnica?
There is HR in a circle. After Dragučova there is Zagreb on every sign there is.

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also, when i was arriving, i got lost in those "octopus" signs and i ended at exit Fram instead of direction Austria.
I agree overhead signage is bad but on signs there is a letter A inside a circle and it is also written on the asphalt in the interchange.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 03:42 AM   #2445
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I believe this was quite common in Yugoslavia.
Don't be ridiculous; show me just one example.

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HR in a circle

A inside a circle
Oval.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 11:09 AM   #2446
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I passed by the Trebnje - Novo Mesto construction site day before yesterday and it looks like they were busy with earthworks, but no real road construction yet, but it's hard to observe from the regular highway because of the altitude difference. I hope it'll be completed soon, it's the last substandard part between Ljubljana and Zagreb (and even Beograd).
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Old August 20th, 2009, 12:07 PM   #2447
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and even Niš
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Old August 20th, 2009, 12:10 PM   #2448
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Old August 20th, 2009, 12:22 PM   #2449
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Video: A1, A2, H3 ring Ljubljana

My first video from my roadtrip to Slovenia.

Make sure to watch in HQ.

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Old August 20th, 2009, 12:26 PM   #2450
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There is HR in a circle. After Dragučova there is Zagreb on every sign there is.



I agree overhead signage is bad but on signs there is a letter A inside a circle and it is also written on the asphalt in the interchange.
i have noticed those circles (oh, excuse me, ovals ) when i was passing there for the second time. they are simply lost in those huge signs. they should have put Graz or Šentilj beside them (and in other direction Ptuj or Zagreb).
i have also checked signs at exit Pesnica and Dragučova knot: at Pesnica exit it says "razcep Dragučova, Ljubljana" in 1000 m, and then in exit it says "Ljubljana, Lendava, Dragučova, H, HR". that is absolutely not enough because 2 motorways are dividing in next 10 km and there must be put notification for those motorways.
in knot Dragučova all major destinations are there (except Ptuj, i would expect it there), and some Pernica thing appears (never heard of it )
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Old August 20th, 2009, 12:34 PM   #2451
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Here's that MEGA sign
[IMG]http://i27.************/2i81mv.jpg[/IMG]
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Old August 20th, 2009, 01:08 PM   #2452
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here are some photos from me:

bridge over Drava at Ptuj bypass




blured photo, but interesting because of yellow markers for motorway


entering A4. everything is signed properly




one of the octopus signs. quite confusing because only ovals appear, and Maribor is signed twice at green background (i would put it on white)
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and going back:
toll plaza Pesnica


exit Pesnica, motorway used to end here. not signed properly imo, especially pre-exit signs (at 500 and 100 m where H, HR nor Ledava don't appear)


approaching knot Dragučova


photos are put in order. so, this one comes after upper one.


nice cut






there are 2 tunnels and they have SOS lanes






bridge over Drava. it starts just after tunnel at upper photo and sign for river is unfortunatelly invisible because of its placement
overtaking for lorries is forbidden at whole MB bypass 2x3h (if i remember well 6-9 and 14-17)


this rest area will be nicely placed under motorway level and it will be nice view onto it from motorway


know Slivnica (A1-A4)




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Old August 20th, 2009, 01:49 PM   #2454
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Nice video. Too bad for so many roadworks on the eastern bypass. I won't comment 'Jubjana'.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 01:50 PM   #2455
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3 capitals. Nice pics!
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Old August 20th, 2009, 01:58 PM   #2456
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I won't comment 'Jubjana'.
But it's true right? Most Dutchmen try to pronounce Ljubljana with a very pronounced "L". LLL-jubllll-jana. Something like that.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 02:13 PM   #2457
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Which is still better than 'Jubjana'. You have plenty of 'lj' (ly) sounds in English, like in 'battalion', 'brilliant' and many more. 'Ljubljana' may be harder to pronounce, because of placement of the sounds, but they're pronounced exactly like in the mentioned words (except 'l' in Slovenian isn't as hard as in English, but certainly present; English 'l' is closer to Bosnian 'l' ).
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i thought that Ljubljana is the hardest european city to pronounce, but my friends from other countries told me that for instance Dubrovnik is much more complicated to pronounce to them
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Ljubljana... nah try Szczecin, Bydgoszcz or Świętochłowice.
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Ljubljana... nah try Szczecin, Bydgoszcz or Świętochłowice.
polish is not hard to pronounce (at least not for Slavs), but it is disaster to read
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