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Old September 2nd, 2009, 12:49 AM   #2501
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Lower speed limits than general are common, but higher than general are seen as odd. We only have that in settlements - general 50 km/h, but can be up to 70 km/h. I think the Maribor-Celje expressway had 110 km/h speed limit in times of Yugoslavia and shortly after independence.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 04:00 AM   #2502
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A5 is too internationally important (V. Corridor) to be called 'expressway'. I guess it's because of the speed limit, which is 100 km/h on expressways, but on A5 it's 110 (although I think they could make an exception, 100 km/h is the general speed limit anyway, not the maximum).
That's not true. Slovenian traffic law allows that expressways can have speed limit of 110 km/h. But the problem is that A5 simply isn't an expressway. Planned speed limit for A5 was 130 km/h but after bad publicity in media because there are no hard shoulders they decided for 110 km/h.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 04:33 AM   #2503
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130 km/h without hard shoulder ? That's bit over rated
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 04:55 AM   #2504
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I don't really see a problem with 130 km/h on a road without hard shoulders. We have some such sections and even all people on A5 drive at least 130 km/h.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 09:01 AM   #2505
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130 km/h without hard shoulder ? That's bit over rated
Common thing around Europe, like Italy, Austria, and of course Germany, even without any kind of speed limit.

Newly planned motorways from 2005 in Slovenia are obliged to have hard shoulder, even in shorter tunnels (but not longer ones). A5 was planned before that.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 12:44 PM   #2506
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Which German Autobahns have no shoulders, plus a blank speed limit? As far as I know, the speed limit is usually 130 km/h on those sections.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 04:01 PM   #2507
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I'm not sure, but I think some parts of A8 from Salzburg to München (not all). Though I might be mistaken. Still, 130 is surely allowed.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 04:15 PM   #2508
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ChrisZwolle, German A8 autobahn has no shoulders, but a blank speed limit. There is advisory speed limit of 110 km/h on some sections though...
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 04:20 PM   #2509
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That's not true. Slovenian traffic law allows that expressways can have speed limit of 110 km/h.
I know, but it hasn't been used for 15 years, so perhaps it's kind of "forgotten". Anyway, 130 km/h without hard shoulders is no problem to me (e.g. Jesenice bypass). And yes, German A8 sometimes has no speed limit with no shoulders.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 04:57 PM   #2510
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Actually, this possibility of 110 km/h speed limit was first mentioned in Traffic law from 2004.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 06:07 PM   #2511
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I think the Maribor-Celje expressway had 110 km/h speed limit in times of Yugoslavia and shortly after independence.
definitely not 110, but 100 because YU speed limits were 50 (or 60?) - 100 - 120
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 06:27 PM   #2512
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Yes, they were 60 - 80 - 100 - 120 km/h, but I think I remember a special speed limit 110 km/h there (but not a few years before it was converted into a motorway, because there was already too much traffic). But for some weird reason (I was small back then) I think I remember the 110-km/h sign right before the Arja Vas toll station, but 110 km/h through a toll station is kind of insane.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 09:49 PM   #2513
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in croatia, there's another condition for speed limits. The width of a traffic lane must be 3.5m to have speed limit of 100 km/h, and 3,75m for speeds above 120 km/h. So our motorways have speed limit of 130 km/h and wide lanes (3,75m)...
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 10:35 PM   #2514
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3,75 is standard for all new built motorways in whole Europe.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 11:39 PM   #2515
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3,75 is standard for all new built motorways in whole Europe.
I know that. I just mentioned it to accent the fact that the width of lanes is important for speed limits, not only the fact of having shoulders or not. But, of course, many countries (if not all) have regulations that roads must have shoulders if the speed limit is >120/130 km/h

it's a pity that your A5 wasn't designed with shoulders in the first place. maybe they'll decide to built it some day

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Old September 7th, 2009, 11:44 PM   #2516
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And what road is that anyway ? Some local one with no number ?
It's R403 Železniki - Tolmin. Actually it was damaged two years ago, if you remember. Whopping 2,000 km of roads were badly damaged or destroyed then, and Železniki was/were full of mud and looked like a war-zone.
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Old September 9th, 2009, 09:18 PM   #2517
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A2 Lesce - Ljubljana - Obrežje (HR)

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A drive eastbound from my campsite near Bled to the Croatian border, clinching much of A2. The A2 still has a gap near Novo Mesto, and they are working on the last part near Radovljica.

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Old September 9th, 2009, 10:23 PM   #2518
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What sign is under 60 km/h speed limit on last picture?
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Old September 9th, 2009, 10:46 PM   #2519
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Exactly what I wanted to ask. Chris, why do you leave out the most beautiful parts? There's no pic of the A2 instantly SE of Ljubljana (2 tunnels), no photo of that long cut-and-cover, and you showed us just 1 out of 6 tunnels between Maribor and Ljubljana, and barely any photo of the section over Trojane.
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Old September 9th, 2009, 10:57 PM   #2520
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Click on the title. There are 165 pics there
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