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Old December 13th, 2009, 01:26 PM   #2741
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I drove this road in August, and the waiting time at the toll gate in Croatia was longer than crossing the border + drive to the A4 in Ptuj combined.

I'd say it's not really a big deal about this gap, although it would be better if it will be finished soon for traffic safety and driving comfort.

I do think an expressway to the Istrian Y is more important though. Most tourists go there.
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Old December 13th, 2009, 01:40 PM   #2742
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Well, Slovenia doesn't need this stretch to be converted to motorway. We will be building it only for Croatia. Now it is half year from opening of A4 (Ptuj-Maribor) and even this section is always empty.

Overpasses on place of existing crossroads should be enough for next decade on unfinished section of A4. It would also increase safety and eliminate speed limits of 60 through intersections.
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Old December 13th, 2009, 02:28 PM   #2743
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it is as empty as Pesnica - Šentilj. and SLO would not built it for HR for god's sake, but for cars in transit
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Old December 13th, 2009, 02:51 PM   #2744
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Pesnica-Šentilj has much more traffic. Missing part of A4 is not needed for transit traffic as none of the villages or people are affected by existing road.
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Old December 13th, 2009, 04:25 PM   #2745
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so are not on A2
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Old December 13th, 2009, 04:41 PM   #2746
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Well, with that kind of attitude, missing links would've been scattered throughout Europe, because there are many motorways that are not absolutely necessary, but we're happy they exist, aren't we? It would be quite annoying if you're on an international trip and have to exit the motorway every time the government thinks it's not important enough to build a motorway for a few kilometers.
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Old December 13th, 2009, 05:37 PM   #2747
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I must agree, because else there wouldn't exist motorways such as Torino-Frejus, or to Mont Blanc.
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Old December 14th, 2009, 04:53 PM   #2748
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so are not on A2
This section has much more traffic, a lot of deadly accidents and is also an important transit area for Slovenians going to work. Also, there are a lot of very important Slovenian companies there which desperately need better infrastructure. None of this apply to G1-9.

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Well, with that kind of attitude, missing links would've been scattered throughout Europe, because there are many motorways that are not absolutely necessary, but we're happy they exist, aren't we?
I didn't say we wouldn't build it but I said it isn't neccessary a priority because current expressway-type road is not some bad, curvy main road with a lot of traffic which is the case of usual missing gaps in Europe.

I would give a priority to Postojna-Rijeka motorway anytime.

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Old December 14th, 2009, 05:35 PM   #2749
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current expressway-type road
that has absolutely nothing with expressway. it is normal low capacity 2 way road with plenty of intersections with limited speed
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Old December 14th, 2009, 05:40 PM   #2750
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The definition of Expressway is vague and varies from country to country. Two-lane roads with no median or controlled access can also have expressway status with this sign:

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but it doesn't have controlled access
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Old December 14th, 2009, 06:15 PM   #2752
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OT, but the eastern part of the two-laned "Istrian Y" expressway has a TRAFFIC LIGHTS on Opatija interchange (it's a simple T-shape crossing instead of a regular interchange type).
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Old December 14th, 2009, 06:42 PM   #2753
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I wrote expressway-type. All interchanges were designed as grade-seperated but Yugoslavia ran out of money, so they only built some overpasses, underpasses and some grade seperated junctions.

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that has absolutely nothing with expressway. it is normal low capacity 2 way road with plenty of intersections with limited speed
Istrian Y has 80 km/h speed limit half of the time while this road has 90 km/h speed limit. Horizontal and vertical design elements have 120 km/h design speed (except for 500 meters) while Istrian Y does not (plenty of 80 km/h design speed sections, others are mainly 100). Also, Istrian expressway also has special speed limits through intersections (although they are all grade seperated) if I remember correctly.

And it is not low capacity. Last summer proved it has enough capacity for all summer transit traffic. Main bottleneck were villages on Maribor-Ptuj.

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Old December 14th, 2009, 07:05 PM   #2754
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istrian y is piece of shit if you ask me, horrible and dangerous road. and it is not 80, it is 90 and 110 (90 between Pazin and Rijeka, 110 rest). it doesn't have interruptions of speed limit because of crossroads, all are multileveled.

i drove 6 times last year at Gruškovje - Ptuj, all 6 times i could drive about 70 km/h most of the time. overtaking was impossible because of opposite direction.


and that designed speed - this is just the same as you would have shell of Ferrari and engine of Yugo inside of it, nothing else.
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Old December 14th, 2009, 07:08 PM   #2755
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I drove Istrian Y in September. I clearly remember 80 and 100 speed limits. I was actually alone on the road for the whole time between Učka to Slovenian border but road seems completely safe to me. Dunno why people can't drive or feel unsafe on 2 lane roads anymore...
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yes, most of the time i was in a row (once pulled by truck, other time there was just too many traffic).
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I drove Istrian Y in September. I clearly remember 80 and 100 speed limits. I was actually alone on the road for the whole time between Učka to Slovenian border but road seems completely safe to me. Dunno why people can't drive or feel unsafe on 2 lane roads anymore...
no, it is road with most horrible accidents in HR and they are quite often. why? because road gives opportunity to drive fast, so people often feel as driving on motorway, and it is still just 2 way road.
you are probably right about 80 and 100 because they haven't changed them onto new rules yet (90 and 110)
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Old December 14th, 2009, 07:23 PM   #2758
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Another incredible thing:
On the whole Istrian Y there is reduction in speed on 80 kmh on ALL interchanges. Someone said that Istrian county managed that because of too many drivers with bad driving performances (presumably the senior people who did never drive on a motorway). And the overall speed limit is 100, not 110 kmh (because Y is a two-laned expressway).
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Fairly speaking, the current highway Gruškovje-Ptuj has better traffic conditions than the current expressway Matulji-Pazin.
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Fairly speaking, the current highway Gruškovje-Ptuj has better traffic conditions than the current expressway Matulji-Pazin.
why?
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