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Old June 7th, 2007, 11:19 PM   #261
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It is only a lane for slow vehicles on ascent and not enough wide for ordinary motorway traffic lane. Necessary expansion to full 3+3 lanes at current traffic growth is still 30 years away.
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Old June 7th, 2007, 11:25 PM   #262
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2x3 is unlikely to be necessery for that motorway. You need like 90.000 vehicles/day for that. No road even near Ljubljana has that amount of traffic.
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Old June 7th, 2007, 11:36 PM   #263
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At current growth this motorway will reach 60.000 vehicles/day in 2037. But traffic growth will increase, when Croatia, Serbia and other countries join EU. Still I doubt, that expansion will ever be necessary.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 12:16 AM   #264
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I do think traffic will increase, the road links 2 major cities nearby.

However, experience in Western Europe learns that bordercrossing motorways are usually very quiet. The busiest Dutch bordercrossing Motorway is the A16/E19 which connects Antwerp with Rotterdam, but it still has less than 60.000 vehicles a day, but it connects a hell more people and transportation than Ljubljana/Zagreb.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 12:17 AM   #265
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The most quiet Dutch bordercrossing motorway has only 6.000 vehicles a day that's nothing.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 12:36 PM   #266
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2x3 is unlikely to be necessery for that motorway. You need like 90.000 vehicles/day for that. No road even near Ljubljana has that amount of traffic.
So when there is like 80.000 cars per day, it's OK to have just 2x2 lanes? I mean, I really wouldn't like to drive there.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 01:18 PM   #267
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^ We have a lot of such roads. Even over 120.000 vehicles a day on 2x2 lanes. But that's nuts. I think it's a good thing to widen to 2x3 lanes with 80.000 vehicles/day.

But roads with very much truck traffic or weaving might be nice to widen earlier than 80.000, in France or Portugal, they even widen to 2x3 lanes with 50.000! That's pure luxury in Dutch views.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 01:59 PM   #268
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I was in Slovenia before with a fortnight. I saw how it is built the motorway between Maribor and Pince. When is it conveyed in 2008?
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Old June 8th, 2007, 02:41 PM   #269
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http://www.avtoceste.si/Default.aspx?id=83&lang=1 "Predaja prometu" = opening for traffic, "predvidoma" = probably, "konec" = end, "leta" = in year. You can also click "English", but you have no specific dates there, only for the entire route, which is scheduled for completion in the end of 2008.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 03:48 PM   #270
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question for Chris: how would you solve our problem in Croatia: 2 months more then 100 000 vehicles per day, 10 months less then 10 000?
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Old June 8th, 2007, 04:02 PM   #271
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^ That's a typical holiday problem. The French have this problem too. They just widen the road. Tourism is worth that.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 04:23 PM   #272
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Yes, we have the same problem, but on a much smaller scale. Oh, and about those 2x3 motorways, some sections in Ljubljana have almost 70,000 vehicles per day and increasing, so yes, 6-laned motorways are going to become a necessity very soon in some parts of the Ljubljana ringroad.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 05:24 PM   #273
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^ The entire Ring, I'd say, plus between the Ring and Lj.-Šentjakob (exit for Litija on the A1 for Maribor), that's hell just as well.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 08:20 PM   #274
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Indeed, but the western Ring is the first to get widened, and probably also the new section between Koseze and Šentvid. It's already made for a (provisional) 6-lane motorway as the hard shoulders are the same width as the lanes, it only needs a new hard shoulder should it ever be expanded.
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http://www.avtoceste.si/Default.aspx?id=83&lang=1 "Predaja prometu" = opening for traffic, "predvidoma" = probably, "konec" = end, "leta" = in year. You can also click "English", but you have no specific dates there, only for the entire route, which is scheduled for completion in the end of 2008.
I saw this sheet earlier already, but there are not accurate dates really.
Thanks Verso
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Old June 9th, 2007, 12:02 PM   #276
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In 2008 there are parliamentary elections in Slovenia, probably in November. Now you have the date.
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Old June 9th, 2007, 05:21 PM   #277
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what a motorway is neccesary for 20 000 vehicles a day?
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Old June 9th, 2007, 06:34 PM   #278
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2x2, definitely.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 12:53 AM   #279
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The Lower Carniolan Highway (A2, H1)

Yeah, we're going to the Lower Carniola (Dolenjska)! Keber has already done this highway, but I took pictures of it in the other direction, hehe. This highway runs from Ljubljana to Croatia, in the direction of the Balkans and Asia Minor. Its total length is 105 km (65 mi), of which there's currently 84 km of motorway (in three pieces ) and 21 km of 2-lane expressway. It's supposed to be completed in 2009. The first 20 km of motorway from Ljubljana were built about 15 years ago and the rest in the last decade. It's part of the E70 and the X. Corridor. I took the photos today.

So this time I started in the southeastern corner of the Ljubljana Ring, at the interchange Malence, between the A1/A2 (southern Ljubljana bypass) and A1 (eastern Ljubljana bypass), turning right, onto the A2 motorway.
Just 135 km (84 mi) between the Slovenian and Croatian capitals.


Turning right.








Exit "Grosuplje-hotel" closed.


Roadworks.


Bifurcation, similar to a bigger one in Macedonia.










Steep slope at the exit.


By the other side again.


Exit for Ivančna Gorica, Črnomelj, ... This road is actually the shortest (and cheaper) road connection between Ljubljana and Split.




1.7 €, now.












End of motorway.


2-lane H1 expressway.






The new Renault Twingos on their way from Novo mesto, from their only factory in the world.




On the A2 again. This section by Novo mesto is Slovenia's newest motorway.


The western exit for Novo mesto (New Town ).








Exit for road leading to the White Carniola (Bela Krajina). Hmm, where is sign for Karlovac, as it used to be on the previous expressway? They obviously decided it was better to use the motorway via Zagreb. I agree.


Lol, what an exit.


On the H1 again.


The asphalt between Novo mesto and the motorway for Zagreb is a catastrophe, so this is better than 100 km/h.








A "good" old rest area.


Motorway until Belgrade, Niš, Leskovac.


"Samostan" = monastery. Anyone interested? :P


A messy sign. Since Celje is further away from Krško, and they exit at the same interchange, it should be written before it. And certainly before Smednik, which exits sooner.


Roadworks.


"Naslednja" = next.


Thank you, EU.


Thanks also to Slovenia.


Aha, now we have a correct order.


Krško on the fourth place. Drnovo toll booth in the back (1.8 €). Ljubljana - Croatia = 3.5 €.




Krško nuclear power plant, Slovenia's only.






"Grad" = castle.


Such a lovely section.








8, 8, 8. Just 32 km left to Zagreb.


Extraterrestrials?








"Carina" = customs.


I'm taking the last exit before the border.


In the back you can see the border crossing Obrežje/Bregana between Slovenia and Croatia. In Croatia you continue on the A3 motorway.


That's all folks. I've run out of highways. Long live depression!
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Old June 15th, 2007, 01:12 AM   #280
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Damn, I wish the USA had the Slovenian motorway signage. It is so systematic and clear.
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