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Old August 16th, 2010, 11:54 AM   #3041
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Ah, sorry, I thought you wanna say in slovene.
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Old August 16th, 2010, 01:16 PM   #3042
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driving on a city avenue in Celje:

map:http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...74,0.1684&z=13

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Old August 16th, 2010, 05:25 PM   #3043
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I know, but border-crossing names don't appear on map of Europe (and neither do villages like Šentilj). As I said, I don't mind Šentilj on signs.
All Yugoslavia knew this name and the name of border crossing because it was one of the biggest and the busiest.

Avstrija was normal 20 years ago, it is still normal in some countries. And the sign is old scheme.
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Old August 16th, 2010, 07:00 PM   #3044
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And furthermore, the text "Avstrija" is unnessecary in these days. Graz (OK, Gradec ) with an Oval "A" should be enough.
At least 'Avstrija' is similar to 'Austria'. Imagine 'Madžarska' on signs (Slovenian for Hungary) without 'H' in oval. Anyway, they wouldn't write just 'Madžarska'. I remember an old sign (I think in Radenci) with 'Madžarska/Hungary (H)', so no worries. There're signs for 'Hrvaška' in Ljubljana, but with 'HR' in oval.
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Oval is new thing it didn´t exist on signs 20 years ago, at least i don´t know it has.
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Old August 16th, 2010, 07:48 PM   #3046
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This sign is from 1985 (when they opened the Ljubljana-Kranj motorway) and it has an oval:

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Old August 16th, 2010, 08:46 PM   #3047
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At least 'Avstrija' is similar to 'Austria'. Imagine 'Madžarska' on signs (Slovenian for Hungary) without 'H' in oval. Anyway, they wouldn't write just 'Madžarska'. I remember an old sign (I think in Radenci) with 'Madžarska/Hungary (H)', so no worries. There're signs for 'Hrvaška' in Ljubljana, but with 'HR' in oval.
interesting, why Hungary has H as international code, and not first leters of hungarian name - "Magyarország" ?
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Old August 16th, 2010, 08:54 PM   #3048
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Many countries don't have that;

FIN - Suomi
A - Österreich
CZ - Ceska Republika
CH - Schweiz
GR - Hellas
ARM - Hayastan
IL - Yisrā'el
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Old August 16th, 2010, 08:56 PM   #3049
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interesting, why Hungary has H as international code, and not first leters of hungarian name - "Magyarország" ?
Same with:

A - "Österreich"

CH - "Switzerland, Suisse, Svizerra"

S - "Sverige" just kidding
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Old August 16th, 2010, 09:44 PM   #3050
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I remember an old sign (I think in Radenci) with 'Madžarska/Hungary (H)', so no worries.
that's nothing. i remember sign in VIrovitica at interchange of today's D2 and D5 indicating N.R. Madžarska for Barcs (N.R. = nardona republika = people's republic). when Berlin wall fell down, they have just covered "N.R.". i will never forget when i said that at class, and my (communist) teacher asked me arogantly "so if it isn't people's republic anymore, what it is now? animals' republic?"

btw, I guess Switzerland is the only country which uses Latin abbrevitation
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Old August 16th, 2010, 09:46 PM   #3051
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It is a bit strange how they have allocated these codes. There are cases in which the English and/or French country name was used (at the time the first allocations were done, French was considered as the "diplomatic/international" language). Quite a few have been mentioned above. On the other hand we have IS, HR, SF (it was the old allocation for Finland for Suomi/Finland), D, E etc.
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Old August 16th, 2010, 09:54 PM   #3052
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treaty of vienna 1968 & ISO 3166 standard:

En wikipedia - abstract:
Cross border vehicles

One of the main benefits of the convention for motorists is the obligation on signatory countries to recognise the legality of vehicles from other signatory countries. However, the following requirements must be met when driving outside the country of registration:

* Cars must display their registration number at the front and rear, even if legislation in the jurisdiction of registration does not require a front vehicle registration plate on cars.Motorcycles need display their registration number only at the rear. Registration numbers must be displayed in Latin characters and Arabic numerals . In addition to this, the registration number may optionally be displayed in a different alphabet.
* A distinguishing sign of the country of registration must be displayed on the rear of the vehicle. The physical requirements for this sign are defined in Annex 3 of the convention, which states that it must comprise black writing on a white oval background and that it must not form part of the vehicle's registration number. In practice, the requirement to display the white oval is mutually waived between some countries, for example between many European countries (where the white oval may be substituted by a blue strip on the vehicle registration plate ) and between Canada , the United States and Mexico (where the state or province of registration is usually embossed or surface-printed on the vehicle registration plate ).
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that's nothing. i remember sign in VIrovitica at interchange of today's D2 and D5 indicating N.R. Madžarska for Barcs (N.R. = nardona republika = people's republic). when Berlin wall fell down, they have just covered "N.R.".
Austrians still have a lot of old signs with 'Slowenien' written over 'Jugoslawien'. Austrian signs are ancient anyway.
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Old August 16th, 2010, 10:14 PM   #3054
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Many countries don't have that;

FIN - Suomi
A - Österreich
CZ - Ceska Republika
CH - Schweiz
GR - Hellas
ARM - Hayastan
IL - Yisrā'el
ja, I realised that later.

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i will never forget when i said that at class, and my (communist) teacher asked me arogantly "so if it isn't people's republic anymore, what it is now? animals' republic?"
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yep. and it was funny to the class. few months after that we became animals' republic, too
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This sign is from 1985 (when they opened the Ljubljana-Kranj motorway) and it has an oval:
Are you sure it is from 1985.?
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Old August 16th, 2010, 11:10 PM   #3057
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Are you sure it is from 1985.?
It looks old and I remember it since "always". It's also the old-style oval with a wide 'A', now it would be narrow, like here. Anyway, the sign below is almost definitely from before independence and it has ovals (A, I). You can also see an ancient E-road signed (I think it says E652, which is now between Klagenfurt and the Slovenian A2, but I guess it was between Villach and Ljubljana back then (which is now E61)):

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I have travelled a lot before and i can not remember seeing ovals ever.
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Old August 17th, 2010, 01:16 AM   #3059
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this road no longer exitst. was one of the rare concrete, right?
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Old August 17th, 2010, 01:36 AM   #3060
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^ I think it still exists, unless they pulled it out, but I'm not sure driving there is still allowed. I think it was a mix of concrete and asphalt, it looks too dark to be just concrete. Hard shoulders were (light) asphalt, I think.
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