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Old August 17th, 2010, 08:29 PM   #3061
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Old August 17th, 2010, 08:56 PM   #3062
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motorway replaced it, partly on a new route, partly the same. So now it goes nowhere.
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Old August 17th, 2010, 11:58 PM   #3063
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Looks like that particular section on the photo still exists as the road R411.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...38581&t=h&z=15

Some sections by Novo mesto are still in use too.
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Old August 19th, 2010, 04:20 PM   #3064
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I was searching for some Bertoki's pics and I came across Matic Erbeznik

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Old August 19th, 2010, 10:26 PM   #3065
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The view will be even nicer when they widen H5 in 6 lanes.
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Old August 19th, 2010, 11:30 PM   #3066
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it will?
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Old August 20th, 2010, 02:07 AM   #3067
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^ There're plans. AADT is currently around 50,000.
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Old August 20th, 2010, 03:39 PM   #3068
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thats nothing...

we have 100.000 on 2x2 with no shoulder...
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Old August 20th, 2010, 07:36 PM   #3069
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It's a lot for a small town like Koper. Anyway, AADT will rise with years, and it's the common section of H5 for directions Ljubljana-Pula, Ljubljana-Portorož, Trieste-Pula and Trieste-Portorož.
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Old August 20th, 2010, 08:04 PM   #3070
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in Paris peripherique has a short section with 2X2, AADT 250.000
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Old August 20th, 2010, 08:10 PM   #3071
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Physically not possible even if the lanes were loaded to capacity 24/7.
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Old August 20th, 2010, 08:57 PM   #3072
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Physically not possible even if the lanes were loaded to capacity 24/7.
actually, mathematicaly it is approximately possible for some section long about 10 km, but of course, realistic capacity is significantly decreased
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Old August 20th, 2010, 09:33 PM   #3073
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The max capacity for one lane is around 2,200 vehicles per hour. However, if you cross 1,500 v/h/l you will see congestion will appear, and intensify over 1,800 v/h/l

If you have 2,200 vehicles per hour per lane, and you have 4 lanes which operate at full capacity 24 hours = 2,200 * 4 * 24 = 211,200 vehicles per day.

While this is theoretically possible, it happens nowhere. The highest volumes found for 4 lanes are generally around 100,000 - 120,000 vpd, with severe congestion.

Of course, there are other factors that limit capacity as well (weather, sight, tunnels, on-ramps, truck share, speed limit and even signage according to some studies).
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i've been calculating ni the way that each car takes about 7 metres of the road (with some space between other cars). let's assume that one space changes each second. that means that at one car place 86400 cars change in one day. of course, that is very approximate and in reality it is less because such amount of vehicles makes the row standing in place for more than one second.
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Old August 20th, 2010, 11:53 PM   #3075
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What about Ljubljana ring road? Are there plans to widen that?
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Old August 21st, 2010, 02:43 AM   #3076
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What about Ljubljana ring road? Are there plans to widen that?
Just the western part in the foreseeable future (~3 km).
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Old August 21st, 2010, 05:04 AM   #3077
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Physically not possible even if the lanes were loaded to capacity 24/7.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...490597&page=32

I agree, but I took yours and Minato ku's data, and make it for 2x2 section. of course, traffic goes slower there, so AADT is therefore lower.
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Old August 21st, 2010, 05:15 AM   #3078
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2) brown road (Ptuj eastern bypass) is not under vignette. and those few hunderd meters of A4 till first exit, surprisingly, are not under vignette system
That's interesting. According to promet if you are travelling on the A4 from Drazenci and heading north to Sentilj the route planner shows you can take the Zlatolicje exit before toll. Does this avoid vignette?

Even viamichelin suggests the A4 Hajdina exit will avoid toll.

I need to know what the best route to take to get me to Spielfeld Austria without a vignette if I am travelling from Zetale.
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Old August 21st, 2010, 05:34 AM   #3079
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That's interesting. According to promet if you are travelling on the A4 from Drazenci and heading north to Sentilj the route planner shows you can take the Zlatolicje exit before toll. Does this avoid vignette?

Even viamichelin suggests the A4 Hajdina exit will avoid toll.
No, that's for trucks.
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Old August 21st, 2010, 10:12 AM   #3080
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thats nothing...

we have 100.000 on 2x2 with no shoulder...
We have 80 000 on a 2 lane road.

but there will be R7 in 2014



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