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Old September 1st, 2010, 01:17 PM   #3141
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It was also ironic when they first built it, as it went only from Postojna to Vrhnika. but I guess it's the connection with the coast and further Italy which makes it the bussiest. I feel always kinda bad though when I have to leave in Razdrto the most interesting part of littoral motorway.
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Old September 1st, 2010, 08:42 PM   #3142
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It was also ironic when they first built it, as it went only from Postojna to Vrhnika.
It didn't reach Ljubljana until 1979 because of a swampy terrain between Vrhnika and Ljubljana (Barje).
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Old September 5th, 2010, 11:43 PM   #3143
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hilarious one killed
Why JLA? What does it stand for?

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There were no war in Slovenia, because in Slovenia situation was clear almost 100% of population of Slovenia are Slovenes. And outside of Slovenia there were no important Sloven settlement.
It wasnīt mess like in Croatia or Bosnia.
You don't know what JLA stands for, but you know if there was or was no war in Slovenia?! There was one killed in Rožna Dolina, as hofburg wrote, but alltogether there were 76 people killed in 10 days! I remember the war since I was almost 13 years old and I know the situation was really bad. We had luck that the war lasted for 10 days only, but Slovenian troops were super organized, that's why we won the war! We were all against the agression and JLA saw that it has no chance.

About Brioni declaration: I think it was a good decision, back than many people feared what the declaration would bring, but on longer period it put things in the right place.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 12:07 AM   #3144
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We were all against the agression and JLA saw that it has no chance.
Well, I wasn't there so I cannot say for sure, but I read things were different... Slovenian national guard was very organized indeed, but in a longer war (say, past the 30 days) they wouldn't stand a chance against vastly superior JLA army.
Slovenians did three things right: 1- they organized themselves before the war; 2- they adopted sort of guerrilla warfare and 3- they used very well their mediatic and diplomatic skills winning the sympathy of the Western public.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 01:42 AM   #3145
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yeah, JLA army was so stupid, as they took only major roads to get around, so we easily block couple of them with trucs, and stopped (or slowed down) them.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 02:37 PM   #3146
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You don't know what JLA stands for, but you know if there was or was no war in Slovenia?! There was one killed in Rožna Dolina, as hofburg wrote, but alltogether there were 76 people killed in 10 days! I remember the war since I was almost 13 years old and I know the situation was really bad. We had luck that the war lasted for 10 days only, but Slovenian troops were super organized, that's why we won the war! We were all against the agression and JLA saw that it has no chance.
Well i donīt know slovenian word for JNA.

AS of winning war it reminds me on the history (fairytale) that children in Switzerland learn that Hitler didnīt attack Switzerland because their "troops were super organized, that's why we won the war! "
hilarious

but this is topic about motorways and this has nothing to do with it.
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Old September 8th, 2010, 08:24 PM   #3147
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Yeah, those poor swiss b'tards Let's stick to the motorways and highways, shall we?
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Old September 8th, 2010, 11:46 PM   #3148
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OK, lets keep to the motorways, but I have to reply before that.
I think that JLA didn't have much chances, since everybody was against it and the morale in its troops was really bad. Slovenians on the other side had a strong wish and were united in a common goal!
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Old September 9th, 2010, 01:03 PM   #3149
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everyone has a chance against Slovenia. Lichtenstein also. JNA just didnt want to engage in war in SLO because it was meaningless.
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Old September 9th, 2010, 03:01 PM   #3150
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BH, nobody has a chance against you, obviously....
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Old September 9th, 2010, 04:45 PM   #3151
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I can't believe this is still going.

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but I guess it's the connection with the coast and further Italy which makes it the bussiest.
I think it's also because the littoral motorway is one of the more "isolated" Slovenian motorways. I mean, it's quite far away from the motorways to Villach and Zagreb, so it serves a big part of Slovenia. For example, the motorways to Zagreb and Maribor are closer to each other.
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Old September 9th, 2010, 06:06 PM   #3152
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everyone has a chance against Slovenia. Lichtenstein also. JNA just didnt want to engage in war in SLO because it was meaningless.
nope, it was just out of frame of moronic creature called Great Serbia, that's the reason.
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Old September 10th, 2010, 05:37 PM   #3153
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Some Afghanistan-style roads in southeastern Ljubljana, which lies on a swamp:
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Old September 10th, 2010, 06:48 PM   #3154
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uf, those scratches made by low vehicles don't look pleasant at all
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Old September 10th, 2010, 06:49 PM   #3155
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How 'bout some concrete?
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Old September 10th, 2010, 07:01 PM   #3156
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They're more Bulgarian-like...
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Old September 10th, 2010, 07:29 PM   #3157
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How 'bout some concrete?
No, they'd just have to support the roads with piles, like elsewhere on Barje, which would probably cost ~1 million euros. They don't allocate this money, even though these roads run through Slovenia's second largest shopping center (Rudnik).
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Old September 10th, 2010, 09:03 PM   #3158
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How 'bout some concrete?
That would be even worse. Everything on that swamp south of Ljubljana must be piled, including pipes, roads and parking spaces. Motorway is not piled classically, however, they used very dense vertical drainages and gravel piles.
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Old September 10th, 2010, 09:36 PM   #3159
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nope, it was just out of frame of moronic creature called Great Serbia, that's the reason.
or moronic NDH you have.
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or moronic NDH you have.
i must admit i don't understand what NDH had with war in 1990es especially with Serbian-Slovenian war
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