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Old December 24th, 2010, 10:44 PM   #3281
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I don't know about its price, but there're more and more cases of driving in the wrong direction. Today was approved a new traffic law, which punishes it with 1,200 € (previously 300 €) and loss of driving license (previously 5 penalty points out of 18).
Verso, I am glad that Slovenia is taking the initiative to combat wrong way driving, especially on its motorways. First is the upgrade of safety standards to help prevent wrong way driving by placing sophisticated wrong way signage on the off ramps that face drivers in the wrong direction, then increased penalties for driving the wrong way.

Here in Florida, we have basically the same issue with people driving the wrong way down our interstate highways, especially Interstate 275 in the Tampa/St. Petersburg area. We have signage that lets drivers know if they are going the wrong way at least. However, at certain interchanges there is a sign with flashing red lights much like the wrong way prevention diagram you mentioned earlier.

Perhaps Florida needs to take the initiative from Slovenia and increase penalties for traffic violations such as speeding and driving the wrong way. Currently Florida's penalty for driving the wrong way is $166.00 plus 3 points on your driver's license, compared to Slovenia's $1,575.00 (1,200 Euros at current exchange rate) and loss of driver's license.

By the way, you got great motorways out there - well maintained and signposted.
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Old December 24th, 2010, 11:58 PM   #3282
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In my opinion driving wrong way on motorway is an atempt of murder.
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Old December 25th, 2010, 12:10 PM   #3283
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1 dead and 3 heavily injured because of another idiot driving in the wrong direction between Ljubljana and Kranj.
bad. is that the newest thing about that?
i asked you about wrong direction driving cause i want to compare it with HR. we didn't have casulties for some time already, although last week news portals wrote again after some time about some fresh samples of wrong direction driving, but i'm afraid it happens each week, but they don't write about it. the most often it happens at southern parts of A1.
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Old December 25th, 2010, 01:37 PM   #3284
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Currently Florida's penalty for driving the wrong way is $166.00 plus 3 points on your driver's license, compared to Slovenia's $1,575.00 (1,200 Euros at current exchange rate) and loss of driver's license.
You also need to consider average salary in Slovenia which is roughly about $900 vs roughly $30,000 in the US. So yes, we have extremely high traffic penalties.
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Old December 25th, 2010, 01:44 PM   #3285
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You're comparing monthly with annual wages
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Old December 25th, 2010, 02:34 PM   #3286
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You're comparing monthly with annual wages
Yeah, sorry but that's hilarious!

and comparing it in $ and €

btw - GNI per capita is $23,520
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Old December 25th, 2010, 03:12 PM   #3287
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You also need to consider average salary in Slovenia which is roughly about $900
€964.48 = $1,265 (net wage)

http://www.stat.si/eng/index.asp
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Old December 25th, 2010, 05:49 PM   #3288
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so it is 1265x13 or 12?
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You also need to consider average salary in Slovenia which is roughly about $900 vs roughly $30,000 in the US. So yes, we have extremely high traffic penalties.
it is really amazing how Americans can be so clueless
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Old December 25th, 2010, 07:15 PM   #3289
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Slovenes, not Americans
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Old December 25th, 2010, 10:51 PM   #3290
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Oops my bad, I meant $10,800 vs $30,000.

Verso, those are numbers closest to reality. I deliberately didn't take those 950€ into consideration because it's pure bulls*it. US data also shows average income per person $46,000 but it's only statistics. Shows a lot, reveals nothing. Even so, the gap between 15k vs 46k is even bigger. I just wanted to show how high our penalties are, among highest in Europe, considering living standard.
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Old December 25th, 2010, 11:26 PM   #3291
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Oops my bad, I meant $10,800 vs $30,000.
I don't know, how 950€ would be bullshit and then average US salary not?

As I looked around, my gross annual salary as an engineer in Slovenia is comparable to US. And no, I'm neither a boss, even less a director.

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Old December 25th, 2010, 11:38 PM   #3292
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And continuing: Why would be an average salary so important at fines for heavy, even deadly traffic offences?
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Old December 25th, 2010, 11:48 PM   #3293
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$1575 for driving the wrong way is definitely over the top. And it doesn't really matter how much is your salary. It seems to be out of proportion with other penalties.

Maybe $166.00 is not a huge fine, but consider how many people start driving the wrong way just by simple confusion or mistake.

And honestly I don't see too many people on the roads here who drive the wrong way anyway. I personally would never be able to afford to pay that large fine.
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Old December 26th, 2010, 12:09 AM   #3294
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That and you lose your license, which is another 1000 dollars right there just to get one again.

Then again I fully support it. You have to be either drunk, in some other way mentally impaired or just a plain idiot not to see the ten different signs telling you you're going the wrong way and to turn around when entering a motorway. Or seeing that everyone is driving towards you.
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Old December 26th, 2010, 12:29 AM   #3295
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Or you're a suicider.

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Verso, those are numbers closest to reality. I deliberately didn't take those 950€ into consideration because it's pure bulls*it.
Then you mean median wage, which is of course lower, but last time I saw our statistical office measure median wage was in 2006.
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Old December 26th, 2010, 12:42 AM   #3296
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And honestly I don't see too many people on the roads here who drive the wrong way anyway. I personally would never be able to afford to pay that large fine.
How much is the fine for random shooting at people on street? 100$? 200? 1000? No?

Now think, if driving wrong way on motorway, sometimes even for many kilometers/miles is anyhow different. Most accidents that happen because of this have usually heavy consequences, often with fatalities.

And if someone doesn't know or see, how, what, where motorways is, even with large billboards everywhere pointing that out, then I think he/she is not being able to drive safely enough, so he/she should not have driving licence.
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Old December 26th, 2010, 12:43 AM   #3297
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I agree, but moralizing peptalk doesn't change the situation. Furthermore, if people are stupid enough to drive the wrong way on a motorway I don't think it matters if a fine is € 100, € 1000 or € 10000.
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Old December 26th, 2010, 06:49 AM   #3298
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How much is the fine for random shooting at people on street? 100$? 200? 1000? No?

Now think, if driving wrong way on motorway, sometimes even for many kilometers/miles is anyhow different. Most accidents that happen because of this have usually heavy consequences, often with fatalities.

And if someone doesn't know or see, how, what, where motorways is, even with large billboards everywhere pointing that out, then I think he/she is not being able to drive safely enough, so he/she should not have driving licence.
I don't have any mercy for idiots who can drive the wrong way for miles. I was mostly talking about people who accidentally got on the wrong side of the road, but immediately turned around.
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Old December 26th, 2010, 10:23 AM   #3299
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Furthermore, if people are stupid enough to drive the wrong way on a motorway I don't think it matters if a fine is € 100, € 1000 or € 10000.
Most people that do this are or old papas and mamas, too old to be aware of traffic situations (means the don't deserve driving license anymore), very drunk people (they don't deserve driving licence anymore, too) and suiciders (here you really can't help much). What is the correct fine? I don't know, but at least driving licence should be taken, because you don't belong onto road with such grave offences.

In Slovenia you just cant miss correct way on motorway. There are enough big signs to warn you about that and you must be really blind to miss them or you don't know even basic traffic rules. Either way you don't belong onto road.

Now why are in Slovenia such harsh opinions about driving wrong way? There were some quite dramatic accidents involving dead people (innocent), one of most famous from last year, when three young students died, after some drunk bastard driving wrong way crashed into them, going away with only slight injuries.

And last week: again drunk driver driving wrong way crashed into other car with a family, killing one and severly injuring three others. He escaped accident site and went with taxi home without any injury.

There are about 150 accidents every year involving wrong way driving and is getting worse.
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Old January 1st, 2011, 06:43 PM   #3300
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Roads of Goriska



I did some driving around interesting spots in my region. Here are some photos:



starting on Sempeter pri Gorici bypass






H4 on the right


















Viaduct Lijak








from down




local road








small castle near Vogrsko


and the dam of artificial lake...


...Vogrscek


lake goes furher east




going back


on viaduct again


our destination is Italy now - I went towards 'my' airport






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