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Old October 26th, 2011, 05:06 PM   #3861
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Old October 26th, 2011, 05:29 PM   #3862
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Old October 26th, 2011, 06:58 PM   #3863
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I can still remember my first ride on the old expressway. It was back in 1967, my father was driving, and I remembered that this section of expressway in fact was a semi-motorway, because it posessed hard shoulders, except in this tunnel and viaducts on both side of the tunnel. This part of expressway also had granulated asphalt which produced a specific noise, similar of that on the Italian motorways. (Was it then a drained asphalt, first in former Yugoslavia?) However, I was stunned than that the tunnel and both viaducts didn't posess hard shoulders, because they looked to me quite narrow. I asked my dad how would the builders wide the viaducts when converting semi-motorway to the full motorway and dad answered that this probably won't be necessary.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 07:08 PM   #3864
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And you should build a great monument to late Mr. Stane Kavčič, the politician who made this motorway possible.
2 years ago he got a monument, not very big but apparently he's the only PM with a monument besides Boris Kidrič.

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In those times, direction from Koper to Šentilj was called "Slovenika" and direction from Jesenice to Obrežje "Ilirika".
The names still exist but are rarely used nowadays, I remember the name Slovenika being used mostly for half-profile A1 on section Arja vas-Maribor, now it's always called "Štajerska avtocesta" in that part. There's also Keltika, Tolmin-Logatec I think.

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Old October 26th, 2011, 08:01 PM   #3865
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Old October 26th, 2011, 08:06 PM   #3866
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I can still remember my first ride on the old expressway. It was back in 1967, my father was driving, and I remembered that this section of expressway in fact was a semi-motorway, because it posessed hard shoulders, except in this tunnel and viaducts on both side of the tunnel. This part of expressway also had granulated asphalt which produced a specific noise, similar of that on the Italian motorways. (Was it then a drained asphalt, first in former Yugoslavia?) However, I was stunned than that the tunnel and both viaducts didn't posess hard shoulders, because they looked to me quite narrow. I asked my dad how would the builders wide the viaducts when converting semi-motorway to the full motorway and dad answered that this probably won't be necessary.
heh, and to make it possible they had to demolish the old viaducts.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 08:40 PM   #3867
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2 years ago he got a monument, not very big but apparently he's the only PM with a monument besides Boris Kidrič.
Didn't know. Read the article, and I'm glad to.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 09:46 PM   #3868
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The names still exist but are rarely used nowadays, I remember the name Slovenika being used mostly for half-profile A1 on section Arja vas-Maribor (was it H1 at the time?), now it's always called "Štajerska avtocesta" in that part. There's also Keltika, Tolmin-Logatec I think.
I think there's also Panonika (Slovenska Bistrica - Ptuj - Ormož - (Čakovec, HR), if I'm right).

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Postojna was the main city back then
Postojna would still be a great focal point, if it were bigger. From there you can still go to all major directions (Rijeka, N. Gorica, Trieste, Koper).
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Old October 26th, 2011, 10:00 PM   #3869
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This part of expressway also had granulated asphalt which produced a specific noise, similar of that on the Italian motorways.
Črnivec - Naklo section had pavement from concrete except in tunnel and on viaducts where there was asphalt. Maybe it was different in sixties, but last decades it was pretty normal asphalt:
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Old October 26th, 2011, 10:11 PM   #3870
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Wasn't there a greenish pavement?
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Old October 27th, 2011, 01:35 AM   #3871
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Yes, Verso, you're right. That asphalt was greenish and granulated, from the intersection to Ljubelj tunnel to the end of semi-motorway near Brezje. From the beginning after Naklo to the Tržič/Ljubelj intersection there was concrete pavement.
I suppose that this asphalt was some kind of experiment. Maybe it was Yugoslav product, and the authorities wanted to prove it in real conditions (trucks, rain, frozement etc.).

EDIT: In fact, that greenish asphalt part was the only original asphalt pavement on the old expressway (it counts for Slovenian and Croatian parts only; I didn't drive on B&U expressway from Belgrade southwards). All other parts were paved in concrete, except the mountainous part at Višnja Gora, which was paved in small granite cubes. And if someone remembered, the first repaved part of Obrežje-Škofljica old expressway was done with the same sort of greenish and granulated asphalt (somewhere at the end of sixties). That repaved part was situated from old Otočec interchange to Kronovo.

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Old October 27th, 2011, 02:25 AM   #3872
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I was stunned than that the tunnel and both viaducts didn't posess hard shoulders, because they looked to me quite narrow. I asked my dad how would the builders wide the viaducts when converting semi-motorway to the full motorway and dad answered that this probably won't be necessary.
I remember the debate in Slovenian parliament a few years ago. Some just wanted to repave the viaducts, saying anything else is unnecessary. Luckily it didn't end that way, even if it took soooooo many years.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 03:36 AM   #3873
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interesting stuff.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 09:46 AM   #3874
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I remember the debate in Slovenian parliament a few years ago. Some just wanted to repave the viaducts, saying anything else is unnecessary. Luckily it didn't end that way, even if it took soooooo many years.
I agree. Moreover, I think that you have done good by widening the tunnel too.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 06:48 PM   #3876
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Can someone explain why road signs on H4 Nova Gorica - Radzrto are blue in some places and green in other?
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Old October 27th, 2011, 07:11 PM   #3877
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We've explained that many times. The first section by border with Italy is the oldest. Back then they planned a motorway. Later the built an expressway and new signage is blue. Older is green. Hopefully they'll change that soon.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 10:25 PM   #3878
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Hopefully not. Oldest section between border and Selo is infact motorway without hardshoulder with 130 km/h speed limit. Blue "section" is an expressway with 110 km/h speed limit.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 11:09 PM   #3879
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+1. I like the motorway part.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 03:07 PM   #3880
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Is it correct that, with the opening of A2 near Podtabor, not a single motorway or expressway is under construction for the first time in Slovenia in perhaps 3 decades?
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