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Old May 9th, 2012, 06:31 AM   #4241
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Yeah I sort of pushed it a bit, but I was suspecting that Slovenia has at least around 600-700km.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 11:50 AM   #4242
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Dars says it has 606 km currently:

http://www.dars.si/Dokumenti/O_avtoc...anje__448.aspx
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Old May 9th, 2012, 11:02 PM   #4243
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597 km according to my data.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 11:05 PM   #4244
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Maybe DARS forgot about some multiplexes around Ljubljana. A1 and A2 run concurrent for a few kilometers.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 11:14 PM   #4245
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8 km to be exact.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 10:46 PM   #4246
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Maybe DARS forgot about some multiplexes around Ljubljana. A1 and A2 run concurrent for a few kilometers.
I think that's officially just A1. Dars probably counts Karavanke Tunnel, besides, their data aren't very accurate.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 12:21 AM   #4247
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News about Karavanke/Karawanken tunnel upgrade:

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THURSDAY 10.05.2012, 16:14
Dörfler hopes to be able to transport other tube open at least during the summer season


Through Karawanken tunnel despite upgrading only one tube?

Klagenfurt - Austrian motorway operator Asfinag has unveiled several measures to improve safety in the tunnel Karavanke.

From this Friday a possible overheating of the heavy vehicles and buses will be detected by new heat sensor - in the plan there is also planned update to the ventilation system and the construction of a second pipe tunnel. This should cost 235 million euros.

Built to a new tube, an old converted to an escape route
New tube is planned until 2019, said the first man of ASFINAG Alois Schedl at the press conference . It will cost 235 million euros and all traffic will go through it. Tube, which is now in use will be changed into escape route, because the frequency of traffic across the tunnel Karavanke Experts is estimated to be too small to justify the traffic through both tubes.

Austria: Not enough traffic for a twin-tube tunnel
Through tunnel Karavanke runs around 8,700 vehicles daily. Austrians explain that the boundary for the twin tunnel traffic is about 20,000 vehicles a day. Until now a record Karavanke tunnel was around 30,000 vehicles a day, so Carinthian provincial governor Gerhard Dörfler hopes to be able to use both tubes at least in the summer season.

The cost of building a new tube between Slovenia and Austria will be shared with the ratio 45:55, which is ratio between the length of the tunnel in the territory of either country.

Austria also announced restrictions for this year freight traffic through the tunnel
Moreover, Austria for the summer this year is announcing the measure, which was last year Slovenia marked the issue, namely the partial or complete restriction of freight traffic through Karavanke in tourist season. Last year the temporary ban on the movement of lorries with a maximum mass exceeding 7.5 tonnes, triggered protests Slovenian hauliers, Austria is again referring to safety in the tunnel. Driving ban for trucks to above-mentioned weight applied on Saturdays between five and 12 hour from 23 June to 1 September.

7.5 million for a new ventilation system
Also in most important travel times Asfinag will use a special device to ensure the safety gap in an interval of one minute for heavy vehicles such as buses and trucks. Thus in the tunnel towards the south there will be not more than six such vehicles at a time. This limitation, according to ASFINAG will no longer be needed when updated ventilation system in the tunnel will start to work in 2014. Update should cost 7.5 million euros.

Otherwise, they were most proud of the heat sensor, which currently can not be found elsewhere in Europe. The device will measure the temperature of heavy vehicles using the thermal image camera before entering the tunnel. If the vehicle exceeded the critical value - the tires limit lies at approximately 70 degrees Celsius - the driver will have to wait until the vehicle cools down. This will avoid some of the outbreak of fire or smoke in the tunnel. Such a device is however located just on the Austrian side of the tunnel.
Above is modified Google translation of this news:
http://www.siol.net/novice/slovenija...ki_predor.aspx

Now both countries agree that new tube will be full traffic tube if however old one will be used as an emergency tube until traffic flow numbers increase enough.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 12:28 AM   #4248
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Yep, ASFiNAG came with the same story:

http://www.asfinag.at/presse?p_p_id=...Qq_version=1.0

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Old May 11th, 2012, 06:13 PM   #4249
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I think that's officially just A1. Dars probably counts Karavanke Tunnel, besides, their data aren't very accurate.
Or maybe they count routes that are currently U/C.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 01:14 PM   #4250
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Another suicidal driver crashes into a tunnel wall of SOS niche - can you guess which car that was?




Few days ago it was a bigger car in another tunnel - but the driver survived albeit with heavy injuries:




Those type of accidents are worryingly becoming very common in last months. Motorway agency still didn't install deflective guardrails in all tunnels (although their efficiency is questionable).
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Old May 12th, 2012, 01:42 PM   #4251
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Another suicidal driver crashes into a tunnel wall of SOS niche - can you guess which car that was?
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Old May 12th, 2012, 02:57 PM   #4252
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Those type of accidents are worryingly becoming very common in last months. Motorway agency still didn't install deflective guardrails in all tunnels (although their efficiency is questionable).
The angle of attack is still 45° with such barriers, which will not stop larger vehicles anyway. These barriers need to be pretty long, to reduce the angle of attack to 20° or less. Unfortunately this would make half the SOS niche unusable.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 05:18 PM   #4253
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Old May 12th, 2012, 05:27 PM   #4254
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Unfortunately this would make half the SOS niche unusable.
Actually you can say that whole niche could become unusable because it is not possible to park vehicle into such small hole except maybe if you park really slowly -> dangerous.
However any guardrail could defer some suiciders to think again about crashing into tunnel walls.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 03:31 AM   #4255
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only in Slovenia?

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A2, gradnja gnezda na znaku izvoza Bič, 13.5.2012:




V paru sta seveda samo dva, ampak se zraven očitno štuli še en samec.




Najbrž na naših avtocestah še nimamo gnezda štorkelj, kajne?
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Old May 15th, 2012, 05:03 AM   #4256
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And that's on A2, not A5.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 10:36 AM   #4257
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Ah at the famous Bič exit
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:36 AM   #4258
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Why famous? Actually it is famous in construction circles because of difficult land expropriation problems, but not otherwise.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:40 AM   #4259
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Famous for its name
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It doesn't tell me more than a ballpen company. Has it some obscene meaning in another language?
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