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Old January 30th, 2013, 04:30 PM   #4561
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I believe that intention is to use some of EU funds. Crossborder projects are most likely to get those funds.
Don't expect this expressway to be finished before 2018 at least.

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Looks like you won't be able to go from H6 to H5 southbound and vice-versa (except through interchanges Šalara and Koper-center).
Very few drivers would use that connection anyway.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 04:42 PM   #4562
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I read in "Il Piccolo" (Trieste newspaper) that they won't open the connection between the Slovenian H5 and the Croatian A9 until Croatia is in Schengen. Is it true?
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Old January 30th, 2013, 05:08 PM   #4563
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According to EU plan, Croatia shall enter Schengen zone in 2015 or at least in 2016.

There is still need to rebuild the existing road between the border and Plovanija interchange (some 2 kms) into a full motorway (there is steep grade so I suppose that this part will be 2x3).
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Old January 30th, 2013, 05:19 PM   #4564
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There is another one potential EU crossborder project: extension of A3 motorway from interchange Gabrk with A1 to Rupa/Croatian A7, to connect Rijeka/Fiume and Trieste/Trst. What are chances for realisation?
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Old January 30th, 2013, 05:26 PM   #4565
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Old January 30th, 2013, 05:26 PM   #4566
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There is another one potential EU crossborder project: extension of A3 motorway from interchange Gabrk with A1 to Rupa/Croatian A7, to connect Rijeka/Fiume and Trieste/Trst. What are chances for realisation?
I asked the same question in this thread a while ago. Aparently the Divaca-Rupa section is planned but the exact route hasn't be decided yet. Someone from Slovenia may answer better. This section is much more important than the H5 cause is part of the planned Adriatic-Jonian motorway that will connect Italy with Greece. However Croatia, Montenegro and Albania will have still a lot to do.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:10 PM   #4567
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Found this, regarding that connection:

http://www.dpa.mzip.gov.si/doc/Sklep...p_PD_J.doc.pdf

By december 2013 we should know the chosen variant (someone said the most probable is the one to Postojna) here

http://www.dpa.mzip.gov.si/doc/Karta...ek_za_MzIP.pdf

But we will wait longer for its constrction!

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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:18 PM   #4568
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I read in "Il Piccolo" (Trieste newspaper) that they won't open the connection between the Slovenian H5 and the Croatian A9 until Croatia is in Schengen. Is it true?
It does not depend on Schengen, the current border station is already prepared for expressway: http://goo.gl/maps/LEM3v

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By december 2013 we should know the chosen variant (someone said most probable is the one to Postojna) here
Most probable is Postojna because of traffic levels, but it can still change.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:27 PM   #4569
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Found this, regarding that connection:

http://www.dpa.mzip.gov.si/doc/Sklep...p_PD_J.doc.pdf

By december 2013 we should know the chosen variant (someone said most probable is the one to Postojna) here

http://www.dpa.mzip.gov.si/doc/Karta...ek_za_MzIP.pdf

But we will wait longer for its constrction!
Via Postojna? It would be useless for Trieste - Rijeka traffic. The old road 7-E65 would remain the better alternative.
They should build two motorways: Divaca -Rupa (for Trieste - Rijeka traffic) and Postojna - Rupa (for Ljubljiana - Rijeka traffic). Off course Slovenes care more about the latter but since they get EU funds for motorways they should look at European priorities.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:29 PM   #4570
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If they build just one connection, then choosing anything else than Postojna would be plain ridiculous.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:38 PM   #4571
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If they build just one connection, then choosing anything else than Postojna would be plain ridiculous.
So the Trieste - Igoumenitsa motorway will remain a dream forever?
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:49 PM   #4572
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So the Trieste - Igoumenitsa motorway will remain a dream forever?
Trieste - Kalamata. :P I don't know, but looks like no one wants two motorways on that terrain.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:52 PM   #4573
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Trieste - Kalamata. :P I don't know, but looks like no one wants two motorways on that terrain.
This is because the Divaca - Rupa route would be almost useless for Slovenes but very useful for Italians and Croats (and anyone else travelling in this direction).
Too bad that the old Yugoslavian state built hardly any motorways, it would have been more easy to build inter-city routes with a central government plan and not every tiny country providing only its interests.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:53 PM   #4574
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Just one connection will be build. Two is science fiction, I think. But even detour over Postojna will not be that big from Italy, 20 km.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:53 PM   #4575
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Via Postojna? It would be useless for Trieste - Rijeka traffic. The old road 7-E65 would remain the better alternative.
They should build two motorways: Divaca -Rupa (for Trieste - Rijeka traffic) and Postojna - Rupa (for Ljubljiana - Rijeka traffic). Off course Slovenes care more about the latter but since they get EU funds for motorways they should look at European priorities.
Italystf i dont understand your argument why slovenes should build a motorway for some one else? Ok its EU but member states are still sovereign.
Croats can build its own motorway From Rijeka towards Istarski Ipsilon ...Rijeka-Tunnel Učka-Istarski ipsilon-SLO H5 (look map above)-Koper-Trieste. Problem solved..)
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:56 PM   #4576
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Italystf i dont understand your argument why slovenes should build a motorway for some one else? Ok its EU but member states are still sovereign.
Croats can build its own motorway From Rijeka-Tunnel Učka-Istarski ipsilon-SLO H5 (look map above)-Koper-Trieste. Problem solved..)
Trieste - Rijeka via Kanfanar? nice detour.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 07:03 PM   #4577
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Trieste - Rijeka via Kanfanar? nice detour.
Or they can build another motorway from Lupoglav-Buje-Kaštel

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Old January 30th, 2013, 10:23 PM   #4578
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Old January 30th, 2013, 10:41 PM   #4579
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The Divaca - Rupa link could be useful for Slovenes from Nova Gorica, so it wouldn't only carry foreign traffic.
http://maps.google.it/maps?saddr=Nov...mra=ls&t=m&z=9
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Old January 30th, 2013, 11:26 PM   #4580
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It would be only slightly faster than via Postojna. It would be only useful for Sežana and Koper/coast (among larger towns).
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