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Old January 30th, 2013, 11:40 PM   #4581
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It would be only slightly faster than via Postojna. It would be only useful for Sežana and Koper/coast (among larger towns).
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The Divaca - Rupa link could be useful for Slovenes from Nova Gorica, so it wouldn't only carry foreign traffic.
http://maps.google.it/maps?saddr=Nov...mra=ls&t=m&z=9
I know you are kidding but ok i will answer anyway

For 90% of slovenian population that route would be unacceptable.
In our interest is that this route is closer to our capital Ljubljana.
So Italystf lets make a compromise so Postojna it is
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Old January 31st, 2013, 12:04 AM   #4582
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He wants both motorways, because obviously building only the one to Divača would be stupid beyond recognition.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 12:11 AM   #4583
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He wants both motorways, because obviously building only the one to Divača would be stupid beyond recognition.
Off course I said that also Postojna - Rupa is important. Also the H6 is useless, H5 is enough.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 12:16 AM   #4584
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OO thats right he want 2 motorways i forgot
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Old January 31st, 2013, 12:35 AM   #4585
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Off course I said that also Postojna - Rupa is important. Also the H6 is useless, H5 is enough.


We dont need that "second" motorway in Slovenia... Italystf you know that right?

For that second one you must persuade croatians that they start building motorway from Rijeka to Kaštel, or whatever i dont care.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 01:17 AM   #4586
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There would be just 7 - 8 minutes difference between direct route Divača-HR border and a route via Postojna. That is negligible in long distance transport therefore it is better to build route which would take more traffic that is route via Postojna. Case closed.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 01:38 AM   #4587
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This is simply not true, according to the fact that today the A1 from Gabrk to Ljubljana is congested with Romanian and other Eastern European lorries and small busses overtaking eachother. You will need at least 15 to 20 minutes from Gabrk to Postojna.

But you know what? Because of soon entry of Croatia into the EU Slovenia should consider building the route from Gabrk to Rupa. When finished, this motorway would decongest Slovenian A1, because in that case a great part of transit cargo traffic will reroute itself to Gabrk-Rupa-Rijeka-Karlovac-Zagreb-Varaždin-Hungarian A7, because the route through Croatia will be shorter (which is important due to fuel consumption).
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Old January 31st, 2013, 01:42 AM   #4588
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The Divaca - Rupa link could be useful for Slovenes from Nova Gorica, so it wouldn't only carry foreign traffic.
http://maps.google.it/maps?saddr=Nov...mra=ls&t=m&z=9
we Slovenes from Nova Gorica go to Rijeka only once in a couple of years

http://maps.google.it/maps?saddr=Nov...mra=ls&t=m&z=9

that's only slight detour from Divaca route. and it affects only people from Trieste/Trst. for Salzburg route I have to do an U turn at Villach/Beljak because there's no direct motorway from Pontebba to Spittal. there are plenty of detours like that in Europe.

what's important is that there will be a motorway link.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 01:44 AM   #4589
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This is simply not true, according to the fact that today the A1 from Gabrk to Ljubljana is congested with Romanian and other Eastern European lorries and small busses overtaking eachother. You will need at least 15 to 20 minutes from Gabrk to Postojna.
There is traffic, but there are no traffic jams, you can easily do 130 the whole way to Postojna.

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But you know what? Because of soon entry of Croatia into the EU Slovenia should consider building the route from Gabrk to Rupa. When finished, this motorway would decongest Slovenian A1, because in that case a great part of transit cargo traffic will reroute itself to Gabrk-Rupa-Rijeka-Karlovac-Zagreb-Varaždin-Hungarian A7, because the route through Croatia will be shorter (which is important due to fuel consumption).
Actually, via Croatia with Divača - Rupa would be still 25km longer.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 02:00 AM   #4590
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Also the H6 is useless, H5 is enough.
There's a lot of traffic from Koper to Izola, Portorož and Piran, so we need that expressway. Actually, if we built just one expressway, it would be the H6 (and extended to Croatia).
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Old January 31st, 2013, 02:02 AM   #4591
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There's a lot of traffic from Koper to Izola, Portorož and Piran, so we need that expressway. Actually, if we built just one expressway, it would be the H6 (and extended to Croatia).
Yes, H5 will be empty most of the year but H6 is imporant for commuters.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 12:21 PM   #4592
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This is simply not true, according to the fact that today the A1 from Gabrk to Ljubljana is congested with Romanian and other Eastern European lorries and small busses overtaking eachother. You will need at least 15 to 20 minutes from Gabrk to Postojna.
There is about 15-17 km difference between direct route and that via Postojna.
Building additional motorway because of 8 minutes time saving is not sensible in next 15-20 years because of low traffic expected.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 09:46 PM   #4593
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Yes, H5 will be empty most of the year but H6 is imporant for commuters.
It would be better that only H6 (Koper-Lucija-Sečovlje) expressway was built and connected to the croatian A9. In that case that expressway would serve both local and transit traffic. For example, the distance between Pula and Koper on A9+H6 would be only 6 km longer than on planned A9+H5:
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Pu...=h&mra=ls&z=11

But in today's solution, H5 must be built because of high traffic volumes on that route during summer, since there are many vehicles and trailers going to Istria during the summer. On croatian A9, average traffic volume last summer was 37.465 (with its peak on August 11 with 54.350). After we enter EU and Schengen, even more people will travel on this route, going from Istra to Koper and Trieste on daily basis, without border formalities

So, lets be optimistic and hope that our 2 countries would be smart enough to forget all frictions and take money from EU funds for everyone's benefit
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 12:34 AM   #4594
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^ yes, and that's the only way (financialy speaking) to build these motorways, unless somebody buys slovenia
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 12:56 AM   #4595
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 11:44 AM   #4596
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^ yes, and that's the only way (financialy speaking) to build these motorways, unless somebody buys slovenia
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 01:08 PM   #4597
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It would be better that only H6 (Koper-Lucija-Sečovlje) expressway was built and connected to the croatian A9. In that case that expressway would serve both local and transit traffic. For example, the distance between Pula and Koper on A9+H6 would be only 6 km longer than on planned A9+H5:
A hypothetical extension of H6 from Lucija to Dragonja (only possible common point of both expressways because of gentle incline needed to overcome about 100 m height difference) would need two tunnels of ~1,1 km and 1-5-1,7 km respectively, which is in sum longer than proposed ~2,2 km long tunnel on H5. Why:
- saline area around airport is nature reserved area
- further up to Dragonja village there are very fertile lands which are not to be built on. A viaduct over valley would preserve the land but it would spoil the view of the landscape.

Altogether this extension would be still somehow cheaper but on longterm it is better to separate transit traffic to Croatian Istria on own route. Already first phase with Koper bypass would significantly shorten summer traffic jams.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 02:38 PM   #4598
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... Already first phase with Koper bypass would significantly shorten summer traffic jams.
That's true. First phase (Koper bypass) should be built ASAP, to avoid two signals and 1 1/2 roundabout.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 04:15 PM   #4599
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On croatian A9, average traffic volume last summer was 37.465
I recently looked at traffic volumes on Croatian roads and if I remember correctly, it was just about 15,000 on A9 (summer traffic).
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I drove the A9 from Pula all the way to Slovenia, and it was pretty much empty...
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