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Old July 26th, 2013, 01:52 PM   #4801
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Would be a better solution to extend H5 from future endpoint at southern entrance into tunnel Markovec to Dragonja? In that case it will be necessary to drill perhaps shorter tunnel Baredi instead of proposed tunnel Šalara? And there will be one expressway H5 Koper-Markovec-Izola (with connection to Piran)-Baredi-Dragonja instead of two parallel expressways (H5 Koper-Markovec-Izola-Piran and H6 Koper-Šalara-Dragonja).
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Old July 26th, 2013, 03:58 PM   #4802
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Tunnel would be even longer than proposed Šmarje tunnel + proposed cut&cover tunnel at H5-H6 interchange combined. Maybe in short term it would be a bit cheaper with less needed contstruction outside of the tunnel however with rising traffic density that would later cause problems when mixing local and transit traffic around Koper as tunnel Markovec has only four lanes and will already have 30-35.000 AADT in the beginning (annual traffic, not just summer). Combine that with about 10.000 AADT of transit to Istria and then multiply that with next 20 years (e.g. 3% annual growth) and you'll need another tunnel to bypass Koper.

Here is a map of officially accepted solution of H5.
http://www.dpa.mzip.gov.si/doc/Pregl...P-Dragonja.pdf
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Old July 26th, 2013, 04:42 PM   #4803
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So, as can be seen from this map, the main route (motoway/expressway without "left ramps") will go at "razcep" Škocjan from A5 to A6 Koper-Dragonja. The main route of the whole A1-H5-H6-CRO A9 motorway/expressway will be from Ljubljana (razcep Kozarje) to Pula (cloverleaf interchange).
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Old July 26th, 2013, 05:07 PM   #4804
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H5 = Italy-Croatia, H6 = Koper-Lucija
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Old July 26th, 2013, 05:31 PM   #4805
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Old July 26th, 2013, 09:39 PM   #4806
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I found two negative aspects on the signage around Ljubljana: first, not many foreigners know that sever=south and zahod=west; myself had problems the first time I drove there, second, there are some signs with Trst only instead of Trieste\Trst; I think that many non-slavs would have problems to identify it either.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 09:57 PM   #4807
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Where did you see Trst-only signs? I don't think there are any. As for directions, I don't think many foreigners care about them, they only care about center.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 10:00 PM   #4808
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Where did you see Trst-only signs? I don't think there are any. As for directions, I don't think many foreigners care about them, they only care about center.

from the previous page
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Old July 26th, 2013, 10:14 PM   #4809
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That's by A1×A3, not Ljubljana. I don't think it's particularly problematic since you have "I" there as well, but I'd definitely add "Trieste" (it could be on one of the next signs, but I'm not sure).
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Old July 26th, 2013, 10:31 PM   #4810
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This is a sign from late 1990ies (and before). Those signs didn't have nothing else as Slovenian name.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 10:40 PM   #4811
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There's Trieste from the other direction.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 11:57 PM   #4812
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A sticker with the name was added later.
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Old July 27th, 2013, 07:07 PM   #4813
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I found two negative aspects on the signage around Ljubljana: first, not many foreigners know that sever=south and zahod=west; myself had problems the first time I drove there, second, there are some signs with Trst only instead of Trieste\Trst; I think that many non-slavs would have problems to identify it either.
Sever is north
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Old July 27th, 2013, 07:21 PM   #4814
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Yes, I didn't even notice it.

North = sever
South = jug
East = vzhod
West = zahod
Center = center, (središče, sredina)
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Old July 27th, 2013, 09:01 PM   #4815
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Minimal knowledge of local language for drivers is required in most countries. You don't see english names of sky directions in Italy either.
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Old July 27th, 2013, 09:33 PM   #4816
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Cardinal directions are fairly similar in most Slavic countries though. Poland is a bit different with north and south, but otherwise it looks similar.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 12:01 AM   #4817
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I have no idea how cardinal directions are called in Hungarian (I've heard, but I don't know which is which), but that doesn't bother me at all. If I'll go to Budapest or some other city, I'll go to the center.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 12:38 AM   #4818
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South = jug
Jugoslavija = South Slavic Land
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Old July 28th, 2013, 12:55 AM   #4819
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Yes (Bulgaria missing).
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Old July 28th, 2013, 09:51 AM   #4820
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We are not Slavs
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