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Old December 6th, 2013, 11:00 AM   #4921
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Now I know why our vignettes are so expensive. Defining price according to length of motorways per km2 makes sense, but not per capita, at least I don't see it.
Capita = taxpayer. This counts, as taxpayers pay, not square kms. Square kms don't have any relation with money, taxpayers however do have. When you start to think with economy in mind and not populist nonsense it is easy to understand that.

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Old December 6th, 2013, 11:34 AM   #4922
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@Verso - keber has a point - square kms don't have any relation with money(regarding vignette prices).
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Old December 6th, 2013, 02:50 PM   #4923
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Capita = taxpayer. This counts, as taxpayers pay, not square kms. Square kms don't have any relation with money, taxpayers however do have. When you start to think with economy in mind and not populist nonsense it is easy to understand that.
It's not just economy, otherwise riding trains would be much more expensive. And not only Slovenian tax payers buy Slovenian vignettes, foreigners buy them as well. I think we can all agree that all mentioned factors are important, at least they should be (unless you wanna pay €110 for 10 km, which you keep ignoring).
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Old December 8th, 2013, 04:55 PM   #4924
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Idiocracy at its best:
Ptuj - Ormož expressway, in planning procedure already from 1996, still does not have defined alignment around Lake of Ptuj.


Local communities - and all transit drivers too - want southern variant (which is logical, it goes away from settlements, its shorter, faster and cheaper to build).

Northern variant is much longer, goes through settlements and has roundabouts.

Ministry however wants northern variant because southern part of artificial lake is in Natura 2000 although most of the area is farmland with intensive agriculture. There is nothing special about that specific area as there is almost 50 % of Slovenia inside Natura 2000.
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Old December 8th, 2013, 05:14 PM   #4925
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If the expressway will run south of Lake Ptuj, then I don't see the point of the (relatively) new bridge north of it. This whole expressway is pointless to me. If anything, it should go to Varaždin, not Ormož (unless they are planning a Ptuj-Varaždin expressway via Ormož).
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Old December 8th, 2013, 05:19 PM   #4926
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It will go toward Varaždin some day - through Ormož. Traffic on Ptuj - Ormož road is pretty high already today.
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Old December 8th, 2013, 05:25 PM   #4927
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^ 6,000-7,500 vpd (except in Ptuj).
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Old December 8th, 2013, 10:27 PM   #4928
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Which I consider pretty high because most of the road goes through settlements without sidewalks. New road would also take some traffic from R1-228 which also has about 4000 AADT. We are not talking about new 4-lane expressway but new main road, hopefully without roundabouts or leveled intersections.
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Old December 9th, 2013, 12:10 AM   #4929
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^ 6,000-7,500 vpd (except in Ptuj).
Actually 6,000 vpd is more realistic as traffic to Borovci would keep using the existing road, but it's true about R1-228 (and better roads attract more traffic in general).
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Old December 21st, 2013, 04:07 PM   #4930
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I've heard that german cars is not too welcomed guests in the NL...
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Old January 4th, 2014, 12:54 AM   #4931
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A quick question about the previous distance-based tolling system.

How much was the toll from Sentilj to Ptuj?

I'm reading yet another row on another forum about Slovenia requiring a vignette for that route - and it seems to me that they would be far better off introducing a 5 euro transit vignette (or - even better - work with Croatia and introduce a single vignette for the entire Sentilj-Zagreb route) than the current system. I noticed last time doing my usual Ptuj-Lenart-Mureck drive (with the bonus of being able to fill up with petrol in Mureck) that there are more and more cars using that route to avoid the vignette.

As for the A4 to the border - is it really needed? Once Croatia joins Schengen, I can't see there being much need for it at all. I was stuck there once, and that was all because of the border rather than the amount of traffic. Of course, the crossing at Rogatec was empty...
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Old January 4th, 2014, 01:30 AM   #4932
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A quick question about the previous distance-based tolling system.

How much was the toll from Sentilj to Ptuj?
The A4 didn't yet exist, you only paid on the A1 at Pesnica (section Pesnica-Šentilj) €0.75 (in 2007) where you even paid for the H2.

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As for the A4 to the border - is it really needed? Once Croatia joins Schengen, I can't see there being much need for it at all. I was stuck there once, and that was all because of the border rather than the amount of traffic. Of course, the crossing at Rogatec was empty...
AADT on the G1-9 is just 8,400-11,400 vpd, but it's an important road.
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Old January 23rd, 2014, 05:59 PM   #4933
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New reststop for trucks, Murska Sobota-north on A-5.














New reststop Dul and Cikava on A-2.

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Old January 24th, 2014, 12:15 AM   #4934
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Old January 24th, 2014, 12:17 AM   #4935
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Old January 24th, 2014, 01:24 PM   #4936
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great pictures. indeed
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Old January 24th, 2014, 06:53 PM   #4937
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Old January 24th, 2014, 06:57 PM   #4938
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Free/full parking spaces with numbers underneath?
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Old January 24th, 2014, 07:10 PM   #4939
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Free/full parking spaces with numbers underneath?
obviously. now i see that on that photo there is probably only 2/5 of parking shown.
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Old January 26th, 2014, 10:13 AM   #4940
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Hello.

Whats about the A4 part from Ptuj to Gruskovje?
Start to building or will build in future?
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