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Old July 22nd, 2014, 12:00 AM   #5241
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It's unclear because DARS explicitly replied to reporters' questions at least once that you don't need the vignette there if you're not entering/leaving the motorway/expressway (here's an article in Slovene: http://www.siol.net/novice/slovenija...n_rondoji.aspx). On the other hand, like you say, according to the signs you do need the vignette.
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 03:07 AM   #5242
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It's unclear because DARS explicitly replied to reporters' questions at least once that you don't need the vignette there if you're not entering/leaving the motorway/expressway (here's an article in Slovene: http://www.siol.net/novice/slovenija...n_rondoji.aspx). On the other hand, like you say, according to the signs you do need the vignette.
It seems really stupid - if they don't intend to control it, why are the vignette signs on the access roads? Why not just put the vignette signs on the sliproads to the motorways/expressways?

Same with the vignettes from the border - if they don't intend to control the section between the border line and the first point of sale, why are the signs from the border?

For what it's worth, I've always thought that vignette countries were always incredibly mean for tolling from the border without any means of escape.
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 05:01 PM   #5243
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yes some situations are stupid, but what can you do. ideally vignette should be required from the first exit after the border or first vending point, and only on A and H roads without the two roundabouts that are only partly part of this roads. but the state wants to put transit on motorways, so maybe it is intentionally a bit tricky.

but luckily that's only where they do checks, you won't see checks before first exit after the border and on these two roundabouts.

for Pesnica roundabout, there is a short alternative road very close to roundabout you can use to bypass it.
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 06:34 PM   #5244
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for Pesnica roundabout, there is a short alternative road very close to roundabout you can use to bypass it.
Only for bicycles and tractors.

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Old July 23rd, 2014, 11:59 AM   #5245
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yes some situations are stupid, but what can you do. ideally vignette should be required from the first exit after the border or first vending point, and only on A and H roads without the two roundabouts that are only partly part of this roads. but the state wants to put transit on motorways, so maybe it is intentionally a bit tricky.
I'm actually surprised they haven't included the Ptuj bypass with the bridge as a vignette road to discourage those that use Mureck-Lenart-Ptuj to avoid the vignette.

But what I hate most about the Slovenian policy is how mean they are in some areas. The Pesnica roundabout is a great example - there is absolutely nothing to warn you that you're about to enter a road that requires a vignette when you come from Sentilj until you pass the point of no return. There's nothing on the direction signage, nothing on the previous roundabout, nothing at the last junction.

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for Pesnica roundabout, there is a short alternative road very close to roundabout you can use to bypass it.
You can't use it, the signage makes it clear. Everyone does though - does anyone know what the fine would be for using such a road?

The alternative route is easy enough though - I really don't know why anyone would bother with the vignette when going from Sentilj to Maribor.
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Old July 23rd, 2014, 04:40 PM   #5246
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You can't use it, the signage makes it clear. Everyone does though - does anyone know what the fine would be for using such a road?
I think it's 160€. Still, it seems a bit stupid to avoid breaking the law by breaking the law.
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Old July 24th, 2014, 08:29 PM   #5247
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Old July 24th, 2014, 08:33 PM   #5248
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Old July 24th, 2014, 08:53 PM   #5249
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something's wrong with the sequence of photos in the last post, between no.4 and 5
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Old July 24th, 2014, 08:57 PM   #5250
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I don't see anything wrong.

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They've removed Slovakia (and Italy) from the signs. Probably also Romania in the other direction.

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Old July 25th, 2014, 12:23 AM   #5251
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he teleported from Lendava to Slivnica
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Old July 25th, 2014, 12:40 AM   #5252
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That's interchange Dragučova, not Slivnica. Yes, he didn't make any photo inbetween, but other than that the order is correct.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 02:00 AM   #5253
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feel like a loser now
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Old July 25th, 2014, 10:44 AM   #5254
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They've removed Slovakia (and Italy) from the signs. Probably also Romania in the other direction.
I knew there was something missing
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Old August 10th, 2014, 12:24 AM   #5255
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When is the 2nd tube of tunnel Karavanke going to be U/C ?

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Old August 10th, 2014, 01:10 AM   #5256
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No date yet, but construction should be finished by 2019 (EU law requires to have two tubes by that time or at least an emergency tunnel if there's no second tube). This doesn't mean though that both tubes will be operational all the time. Most likely the current tube will serve as an emergency exit and the new tube will carry the whole traffic. The old tube, once it's renovated, will only be used in case traffic exceedes 20,000 vehicles per day (~8000 atm) respectively in the holiday season.
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Old August 10th, 2014, 03:12 AM   #5257
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We don't have money for basic maintenance of roads, but we have it for this luxurious second tube with 8,500 AADT? But that's when rich guys in Brussels take decisions and expect member states to finance them. I know we could just build an escape tube, but even that's too expensive right now IMO.

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Old August 10th, 2014, 06:28 AM   #5258
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We don't have money for basic maintenance of roads, but we have it for this luxurious second tube with 8,500 AADT? But that's when rich guys in Brussels take decisions and expect member states to finance them. I know we could just build an escape tube, but even that's too expensive right now IMO.
Do what the French do - ignore it and laugh at the EU when they complain.

Having said this, wouldn't there be the possibility to do what the French did with Mont Blanc and simply use underneath the roadway as an emergency escape?
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Old August 10th, 2014, 10:00 AM   #5259
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Do what the French and Germans do - ignore it and laugh at the EU when they complain.
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Old August 10th, 2014, 11:25 AM   #5260
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Yeah. But unfortunately countries that receive co-financing from the EU can not do it for in this case EU cuts financing or even stops it completely. Not only for that certain project.
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