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Old September 14th, 2014, 11:30 AM   #5321
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The road looks not extreme bad. There are many roads in Germany in simular or worse situation (for years). Of course, it's common in Eastern Germany but I talk about Western Germany. Roads with AADT 8,000+. There are many roads in cities with worse situation.
Not to mention southern Italy.
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Old September 14th, 2014, 08:58 PM   #5322
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I saw a road in such condition even in Austria. It was a local road in a very rural part of Burgenland, though. But still, it's against the usual stereotype of Austria being a tidy country.
There're plenty of roads like that in Austria, it's really not that bad, it's just that this road should be better for its importance. Drive Villach-Kranjska Gora, now that's an embarrassment for Austria (regardless that it's not so important).
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Old September 14th, 2014, 10:41 PM   #5323
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Drive Villach-Kranjska Gora, now that's an embarrassment for Austria (regardless that it's not so important).
I drove that last year, it was, as you say, in very bad condition.
On Slovene side it was good.
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Old September 15th, 2014, 03:13 PM   #5324
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it's more reasonable to compare entire road network rather than one particular road.
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Old September 15th, 2014, 04:14 PM   #5325
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No need for that, no one sane will say that Slovenian roads are better than Austrian.
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Old September 15th, 2014, 06:52 PM   #5326
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Well overall quality of the motorways and paving is in my opinion better in Slovenia then in Austria.
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Old September 15th, 2014, 09:29 PM   #5327
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it's a tough call. also situation in Austria is improving, some surfaces only 'feel' worse because they are concrete (sometimes very old though - but durable) and not asphalt. in Slovenia maintaining of motorways actually exists, and overall surface quality is decent, then again I don't dare you to drive A1 Arja vas - Hoče, you would change your opinion in a second.
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Old September 15th, 2014, 09:45 PM   #5328
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then again I don't dare you to drive A1 Arja vas - Hoče, you would change your opinion in a second.
I've driven the whole A1 a few times and hasn't found anything wrong with that section. I'd even dare to say, that all sections of A1 are nearly perfect.
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Old September 15th, 2014, 11:08 PM   #5329
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I think that you're right.
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Old September 16th, 2014, 03:22 AM   #5330
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Well overall quality of the motorways and paving is in my opinion better in Slovenia then in Austria.
Germany, yes

but not Austria
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Old September 16th, 2014, 10:52 AM   #5331
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I have a question.How much vehicles use H7 daily?
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Old September 16th, 2014, 01:51 PM   #5332
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http://www.dc.gov.si/fileadmin/dc.go...nitve_2012.pdf

~4000-5000
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Old September 16th, 2014, 03:12 PM   #5333
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From some resson i thought that the number is much lower.
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Old September 16th, 2014, 07:12 PM   #5334
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There're plenty of roads like that in Austria, it's really not that bad, it's just that this road should be better for its importance. Drive Villach-Kranjska Gora, now that's an embarrassment for Austria (regardless that it's not so important).
Is it the road that has a "drive in 1st gear" sign?
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Old September 17th, 2014, 10:43 PM   #5335
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Yep. There's also a tank by the road just in case.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 11:07 PM   #5336
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This is what the old road between Draženci and Gruškovje now looks like after another tourist season:

[IMG]http://i58.************/ifrajd.jpg[/IMG]
Bad news. New minister for roads (new government will be appointed soon) says that we don't need motorway in this section.
http://www.rtvslo.si/lokalne-novice/...alozane/346603
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Old September 17th, 2014, 11:32 PM   #5337
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The new minister IMO isn't worth quoting, čarli. There're just too many stupid things he said.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 12:16 AM   #5338
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The new minister IMO isn't worth quoting, čarli. There're just too many stupid things he said.
True But if he has power to stop this then is terrible
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Old September 18th, 2014, 02:30 AM   #5339
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Yep. There's also a tank by the road just in case.
It's incredible that it was a major European artery until 1991 (when Karavanken tunnel opened). I wonder how could heavy vehicles cope with a 18% gradient, let alone in winter. Probably most traffic went via Tarvisio or Loibltal back then.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 04:36 PM   #5340
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True But if he has power to stop this then is terrible
I don't see a problem. He was immediately attacked heavily from all political parties and all traffic and logistic lobbies.
He will reconsider very soon.
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