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Old December 29th, 2014, 02:16 PM   #5461
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There were 120 people involved. This is the biggest pile-up in Slovenian history.
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Old December 29th, 2014, 03:22 PM   #5462
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There was a sudden gust of wind that formed a thick cloud of snow. Visibility dropped to zero, the rest is history.
and just a moment before it was clear sunny weather, road cleaned, speeds were probably over hundred.
I wonder how one can possibly avoid this situation? does normal safety distance suffice? police says the first car driving into this snow curtain stopped completely.

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Old December 29th, 2014, 06:31 PM   #5463
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There were 120 people involved. This is the biggest pile-up in Slovenian history.
wasn't there larger crash in fog on A2 split part between Ivančna Gorica and Ljubljana few years ago? or it had only more deaths?
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Old December 29th, 2014, 07:03 PM   #5464
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wasn't there larger crash in fog on A2 split part between Ivančna Gorica and Ljubljana few years ago? or it had only more deaths?
On A2 2 ppl died with less vehicles involved (36 vs 51)
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Old December 29th, 2014, 11:38 PM   #5465
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Video of weather conditions just before the accident:
http://4d.rtvslo.si/arhiv/prispevki-...vnik/174311883
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Old December 30th, 2014, 01:21 PM   #5466
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and just a moment before it was clear sunny weather, road cleaned, speeds were probably over hundred.
I wonder how one can possibly avoid this situation? does normal safety distance suffice? police says the first car driving into this snow curtain stopped completely.

http://www.rtvslo.si/slovenija/polic...la-sneg/354643
I don't think it can be avoided. If conditions suddenly deteriorate with no warning, all you can do is put on the fog lights, hazard lights and try and get through it. Stopping is a terrible idea - it would make more sense to get down to 50-60km/h and try and drive through it. Even with visibility at zero or close to zero, you've got far more chance of getting hurt if you stop completely. In the absolute worst case scenario, pulling the car to the left verge can do the trick - your car will probably be destroyed, but you can use the barrier as a 'guide' to get out. Or alternatively, you can just swing to the hard shoulder, get out of the car and run.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 02:06 PM   #5467
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Or alternatively, you can just swing to the hard shoulder, get out of the car and run.
That's probably the best idea; no one should drive there, just stop. At that spot there's no hard shoulder though, just accelerating lane from Postojna, but still much better than nothing.
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Old December 31st, 2014, 12:36 AM   #5468
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I haven't got it to hand, but there's a sign saying 100 DEM = 600 ATS in Sentilj too. It took me a long time to figure out why they were advertising the exchange rate between the Deutsche Mark and the Austrian Schilling in Slovenia!
Do you mean the border Sentilj - Spielfeld or in the village of Sentilj? I drove through the border few days ago.
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Old January 5th, 2015, 03:13 PM   #5469
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Old January 5th, 2015, 08:43 PM   #5470
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Old January 5th, 2015, 11:03 PM   #5471
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Do you mean the border Sentilj - Spielfeld or in the village of Sentilj? I drove through the border few days ago.
It's high up on a lamppost - https://www.google.si/maps/@46.68897...3s8ctQbawg!2e0 . It must be quite old, as I'd guess that "hard currency" issues would have been irrelevant by the late 90's at the latest. Although - I guess as a major entry point into the EU, I suppose plenty of non-Slovenians would have been carrying around DEM.
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Old January 5th, 2015, 11:06 PM   #5472
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I'd guess that "hard currency" issues would have been irrelevant by the late 90's at the latest.
1st January 2002.
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Old January 5th, 2015, 11:50 PM   #5473
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Not necessarily. It's possible that the sign dates from the early to mid 90's when DEM was still used as a reserve currency in many European countries - I don't know the history of the Slovenian Tolar, so I can't comment for certain. I know it was very common in ex-Yugoslav countries to use DEM for many things - the post-Yugoslav dinar currencies weren't stable, and so DEM was used almost as a parallel currency (and de facto was a parallel currency in Montenegro). It's quite possible that the sign dates from a period of instability in the SIT - for instance, the initial exchange rate was set at 32 SIT to 1 DEM - and the final exchange rate was 122.55 SIT to 1 DEM. So it's hard to tell what era that the sign comes from - but surely the DEM exchange rate wouldn't have been relevant for Slovenians in 2001.
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Motorway there opened in 1991, so I'd say the sign is from before that.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 11:15 AM   #5475
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After 1.1.1990 Yugoslav dinar was pegged to DEM at 1 DEM = 7 dinar (= 7 ATS) - not for long though.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 12:22 PM   #5476
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Last summer i was on vacation in croatia for the first time! So it was the first time for me I came through slovenia. Not expect the highways were so good in your country.

Only the border with Croatia was a disaster..... Very long queue for the border!
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Old January 6th, 2015, 02:09 PM   #5477
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Last summer i was on vacation in croatia for the first time! So it was the first time for me I came through slovenia. Not expect the highways were so good in your country.

Only the border with Croatia was a disaster..... Very long queue for the border!
Where did you cross? At Rupa?
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Old January 6th, 2015, 06:30 PM   #5478
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Where did you cross? At Rupa?
I was on vacation in Porec. And I cross at Dragonja.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 07:15 PM   #5479
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Motorway there opened in 1991, so I'd say the sign is from before that.
Could be, especially because it's on the main road rather than on the old Customs parking area. Sentilj (and Spielfeld) really is an absolute mess these days - the whole place could do with being flattened and rebuilt. By the way - http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/p...m/42720095.jpg - does this sign date from Yugoslavian times?
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Yes, probably.
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