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Old May 17th, 2015, 11:52 PM   #5601
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nobody knows that actually.
It's actually very simple, it's mandatory from the first vinjeta sign onwards.

In all seriousness though, it probably has to do with whether there is an alternative crossing on national roads. For example in the case of Vrtojba, Fernetti and Škofije, the regular road just ends up on the motorway border crossing, whereas in Šentilj, Obrežje and Pince there is a regular road crossing next to the motorway crossing.
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It's actually very simple, it's mandatory from the first vinjeta sign onwards.
but it doesn't exist on Obrežje
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Old May 18th, 2015, 01:27 AM   #5603
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they sell it there, but you cannot stop your car before police check anyway.
Yes, but it should be mandatory, like on Swiss motorway border crossings (at least when they weren't in Schengen yet, but they still have customs control).

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but it doesn't exist on Obrežje
Here. (don't mind the advertisement for Palmanova 240 km away )
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Old May 18th, 2015, 12:35 PM   #5604
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It's actually very simple, it's mandatory from the first vinjeta sign onwards.

In all seriousness though, it probably has to do with whether there is an alternative crossing on national roads. For example in the case of Vrtojba, Fernetti and Škofije, the regular road ends up just on the motorway border crossing,
in Vrtojba there is no regular road.
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Old May 18th, 2015, 03:27 PM   #5605
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in Vrtojba there is no regular road.
Exactly, requiring the vignette for Vrtojba border crossing means sending most through traffic via Gorizia centre.

About Sant'Andrea/Vrtojba b/c I'm sure you can do this (I->SLO) and this (SLO->I) without vignette. However this is not a signed exit, and you have to know well the place to drive that route.
After that rest area, there is a begining of motorway\vignette sign, but I don't think that vignette is enforced before the exit of Sempeter/Nova Gorica, that is about 1km after the beginning of the tolled motorway. Since the motorway beginning/vignette sign is few meters after the off-ramp to the rest area, you've no option to turn back after you have seen it, with the exit of Sempeter/Nova Gorica being your only option.

About Fernetti\Sezana, you don't need the vignette for this and this. You need it if you go straight at this point (and obviously for the opposite direction).

About Rabuiese\Skofije, you can avoid the vignette by turning right into this gas station, that is a bit tricky, as it looks like just a gas station and not an exit leading elsewhere. I don't think there are many places in the world where you have to drive through a gas station without needing to use it.
In the opposite direction, you need to drive this, as entering the expressway a bit before, requires the vignette.
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Old May 18th, 2015, 04:28 PM   #5606
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About Sant'Andrea/Vrtojba b/c I'm sure you can do this (I->SLO) and this (SLO->I) without vignette. However this is not a signed exit, and you have to know well the place to drive that route.
It's signposted as Šempeter.

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After that rest area, there is a begining of motorway\vignette sign, but I don't think that vignette is enforced before the exit of Sempeter/Nova Gorica, that is about 1km after the beginning of the tolled motorway. Since the motorway beginning/vignette sign is few meters after the off-ramp to the rest area, you've no option to turn back after you have seen it, with the exit of Sempeter/Nova Gorica being your only option.
You need a vignette for driving on Slovenian motorways and expressways, so why would you continue driving on a road that looks like a motorway? It's good that you can cross the border there at all.

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About Rabuiese\Skofije, you can avoid the vignette by turning right into this gas station, that is a bit tricky, as it looks like just a gas station and not an exit leading elsewhere. I don't think there are many places in the world where you have to drive through a gas station without needing to use it.
You don't actually have to drive through a gas station (although you get really close), but it's true that the exit is only signposted as a gas station/rest area.
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You need a vignette for driving on Slovenian motorways and expressways, so why would you continue driving on a road that looks like a motorway? It's good that you can cross the border there at all.
this can be a valid argument only if there is a normal main road border crossing beside motorway. Which in case of Škofije/Rabuiese and Fernetiči there is none. So especially at Škofije it needs to be better signed.
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Old May 18th, 2015, 10:19 PM   #5608
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Exactly, requiring the vignette for Vrtojba border crossing means sending most through traffic via Gorizia centre.
not really Gorizia centre http://goo.gl/maps/nJksr (select second route), close though. but that's also a problem of Gorizia not having any bypass.
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Old May 18th, 2015, 10:42 PM   #5609
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not really Gorizia centre http://goo.gl/maps/nJksr (select second route), close though. but that's also a problem of Gorizia not having any bypass.
Not to mention that road has a heavy traffic restriction on the Slovenian side. Not that it matters in the case of vignettes, but it's not really a serious alternative to Vrtojba.
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Old May 18th, 2015, 10:53 PM   #5610
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this can be a valid argument only if there is a normal main road border crossing beside motorway. Which in case of Škofije/Rabuiese and Fernetiči there is none. So especially at Škofije it needs to be better signed.
If there's an ordinary road border crossing beside a motorway, you shouldn't cross the border on the motorway without a vignette at all. But I see where you're getting at: that you might not notice soon enough there's a motorway ahead of you at all (because you thought there would be just an ordinary road or whatever other reason). But then again, there are so many signs for vignettes that it's a lame excuse. There probably wouldn't be so many signs (if at all), if there was just an ordinary road ahead. You have signs already in Italy.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 01:17 AM   #5611
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http://goo.gl/maps/H60pn

How is it possible that a sign informing about vignettes looks 50 years old?
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Old May 25th, 2015, 02:53 PM   #5612
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Opening of 5th June getting close!

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Old May 26th, 2015, 02:53 PM   #5613
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http://goo.gl/maps/H60pn

How is it possible that a sign informing about vignettes looks 50 years old?
And surroundings looks much better, right?
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Old May 26th, 2015, 10:50 PM   #5614
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Dars and Asfinag today signed an agreement for building the second tube of the Karavanke Tunnel.

http://www.finance.si/8820632/Dars-i...dora-Karavanke
It might be delayed if an EIS is needed for the Slovenian part (source in German, sorry, couldn't find any English or Slovenian source which is for free but the news article contains not more info).

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Old June 5th, 2015, 01:49 PM   #5615
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Will H6 open today?
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Old June 5th, 2015, 02:06 PM   #5616
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We'll see. Ask at midnight if it opened. The PM Cerar is coming, so it should open.
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Old June 5th, 2015, 05:01 PM   #5617
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One thing that I don't understand about the vignette systems - why on earth is so much trouble involved with buying one? Why not simply turn the old border posts into drive-through vignette sales points?

Hello machine, here's my card/15 Euro, give me a vignette, thank you, bye. But "stop, get out of car (with screaming children), queue in shop, get out of shop, get back in car" is such a pain.
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Old June 5th, 2015, 05:51 PM   #5618
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You can do that at Šentilj.
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Old June 5th, 2015, 06:12 PM   #5619
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Will H6 open today?
It will open in evening hours.
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Old June 5th, 2015, 06:29 PM   #5620
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It's already open according to rtvslo.si. A few pictures:








http://www.rtvslo.si/slovenija/skozi...-vozila/366795

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