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Old June 7th, 2015, 05:24 PM   #5641
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Yes, that one is old. Maybe a two-lane road to Portorož is enough (especially since there will be a tunnel as well), but it's also enough to Lucija. I would make it four-laned only to "priključek Lucija", not all the way to "rondo Lucija". Traffic in 2013 on G2-111 before the road splits was ~20,000 vpd, but then it drops significantly: G2-111 to Lucija and R3-629 to Portorož/Piran both just ~10,000 vpd.
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Old June 7th, 2015, 07:27 PM   #5642
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I believe the stretch between Lucija junction and Lucija roundabout has four lanes due to the steep grade of the road in one direction and to prevent additional queues at the roundabout in the other direction, which probably makes sense in the summer months, as it could easily become a bottleneck.
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Old June 7th, 2015, 09:55 PM   #5643
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http://www.aise.info/comunit%C3%A0/n...ismo/39193/157
The Italian community of Slovenia complained because the sign at the new tunnel's portal says only "Predor Marcovec" and not also "Tunnel San Marco", while all signs in that region must be bilingual according to the law.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old June 8th, 2015, 06:44 PM   #5644
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The fact that the tunnel is dedicated to St. Mark, suggest me that Italian community is of Venetian origin (that it is, in fact)

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Old June 8th, 2015, 07:25 PM   #5645
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It's not a tunnel dedicated to St. Mark (Mark the Evangelist), it's named after a part of Koper called Monte San Marco (in Italian), under which it runs (in Slovenian called Markovec, not Sveti Marko). (and yes, that's the Lion of Saint Mark in your avatar)

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Old June 8th, 2015, 08:46 PM   #5646
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The Italian name "Monte San Marco" probably dates back to the Venetian domination (before 1797).
Yes, coastal Istria, Dalmatia and even Montenegro had a consistent Italian population before WWII, and a small part of it still remains. They spoke\speak a dialect similar to Venetian, due to historical reasons. Also the architecture in those places has a clear Venetian origin.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old June 8th, 2015, 09:47 PM   #5647
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Yes... sorry for my mistake about the hill, I've read the article later... Capodistria/Koper was part of Venetian Republic since XI century!
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Old June 8th, 2015, 11:53 PM   #5648
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Since 1279 (or 1278).
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Old June 9th, 2015, 01:26 PM   #5649
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...after all ( SLO-IT, SLO-CRO, CRO-SRB, SRB-AL ...opinions ) we know why Europe is the biggest b...h ( "beach" ) ...
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...after all ( SLO-IT, SLO-CRO, CRO-SRB, SRB-AL ...opinions ) we know why Europe is the biggest b...h ( "beach" ) ...
[OT] Please, come on. We were just talking about history. The fact that Istria was Venetian is a fact, no need to argue. I didn't say "Istria should be Italian now!" [/OT]
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Old June 9th, 2015, 04:03 PM   #5651
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Long live Venetian architecture.


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Old June 9th, 2015, 09:41 PM   #5652
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The new H6 is already drawn in Google Maps, but Izola bypass (4-lane part of G2-111) remains yellow.
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The new H6 is already drawn in Google Maps, but Izola bypass (4-lane part of G2-111) remains yellow.
But it was drawn wrong:
https://www.google.it/maps/@45.5426549,13.7196807,17z
Correct interchange in OSM:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/45.54270/13.71839

And what the prefix G2 does mean?
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Old June 9th, 2015, 11:00 PM   #5654
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What a primitive interchange.

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And what the prefix G2 does mean?
"Glavna cesta" (main road) of the 2nd order.
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Old June 9th, 2015, 11:11 PM   #5655
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same on the other side
https://www.google.it/maps/@45.5317315,13.6729149,17z
OSM
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/45.53206/13.67312
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Old June 9th, 2015, 11:52 PM   #5656
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OSM is wrong there too (although more accurate than GMaps), you can enter and exit the expressway in/from direction Koper as well, not just Portorož.
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Old June 10th, 2015, 12:17 AM   #5657
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The new H6 is already drawn in Google Maps, but Izola bypass (4-lane part of G2-111) remains yellow.
Which is correct. Orange colours mean toll road, Izola bypass is not toll road.
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Old June 10th, 2015, 12:22 AM   #5658
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Not anymore.
Orange means 2 lane road. Toll road has black border lines.
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Old June 10th, 2015, 01:55 AM   #5659
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Which is correct. Orange colours mean toll road, Izola bypass is not toll road.
Then all Germany would be yellow.
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Old June 10th, 2015, 06:52 AM   #5660
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