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Old August 11th, 2015, 02:29 AM   #5701
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Just drove from Rijeka to Postojna, on my way to Germany, and the country road section from Rupa (Croatia) to Postojna is a mess. You go through villages within a few metres of peoples dinning room windows, many trucks, and heavy traffic. I think this section is only some 30 km long. Is there any plans for Slovenia to complete this section? If so is it a high, medium, or low priority?
It's low priority because AADT is for now too low.
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Old August 11th, 2015, 02:38 AM   #5702
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they should have slovenian vignette at bigger austrian rest areas too. tank off-motorway in Austria.
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Old August 11th, 2015, 02:43 AM   #5703
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Postojna-Rupa is a mess, which however only becomes apparent in the summer. I think they should rebuild the main road with bypasses, but slovenian direction of roads has as always insufficent budget for anything serious.
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Old August 11th, 2015, 01:43 PM   #5704
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But this is a major north-south route for Slovenia and this part of Europe. Even if the AADT is low it is a missing link in the SLO motorway network. They could charge extra for this section, or even build it as a half motorway at first.
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Old August 11th, 2015, 04:50 PM   #5705
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there are plans for a motorway in the future, for now other missing links are being built.

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Old August 11th, 2015, 07:00 PM   #5706
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But this is a major north-south route for Slovenia and this part of Europe. Even if the AADT is low it is a missing link in the SLO motorway network. They could charge extra for this section, or even build it as a half motorway at first.
Oh, there are many missing links in slovenian road network but we just have to deal with it.
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Old August 11th, 2015, 08:23 PM   #5707
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Two other missing links come to mind in the SLO motorway (not road) network, from Ptul to CRO border. Also, potentially from Novo Mesto to Croatia, somewhere south of Karlovac, to link up with the Split motorway. What other 'realistic' missing are there?
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Old August 11th, 2015, 09:12 PM   #5708
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...maybe Ptuj - Varazdin ( to Croatian A4 )
...Ptuj - Slovenska Bistrica
...Celje - Novo Mesto
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Old August 11th, 2015, 09:14 PM   #5709
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Weren't there plans for a motorway or expressway to Dravograd?
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Old August 11th, 2015, 09:15 PM   #5710
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@smokiboy, Why excluding roads? It's not rational to throw money in low AADT motorways when the main roads are not in good condition.

There is also expressway project from A1 to Velenje - Slovenj Gradec and Austrian border. Plus Draženci - Ormož. And lots of projects on the main road and railway network. Motorways are more or less done.

I also believe that section Novo Mesto - CRO border must have higher priority than Postojna - CRO border.
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Old August 12th, 2015, 12:27 AM   #5711
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slovenian motorways simply end few km before the southeastern border. period. exeption is A2. there is simply not enough traffic in their opinion and nobody can do anything against it.
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Old August 12th, 2015, 01:12 AM   #5712
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...maybe Ptuj - Varazdin ( to Croatian A4 )
...Ptuj - Slovenska Bistrica
...Celje - Novo Mesto
Also expressways Izola-Lucija and Koper-HR border.

It's interesting to notice how much the European motorway network is affected by borders. If Italy still had its pre-WWII borders, there will surely be a motorway triangle connecting Trieste, PulaPola and RijekaFiume. If Yugoslavia was still united, they would probably have built motorways like Ljubljana-Rijeka or Split-Dubrovnik via BiH. But having borders in the middle, especially non-Schengen borders, makes things more complicate.
Even in Western Europe motorways towards border crossings have been built relatively later (such A5, A23 and A32 in Italy or A2 in Austria).
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Old August 12th, 2015, 02:22 AM   #5713
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@ Karaya, I was only referring to motorway network, I do realize that regional roads are also important. But sometime you should build motorway (or half motorway) to connect to areas, like Rijeka-Postojna, even if there is low AADT, to maintain traffic flow.

@ Italystf, I agree borders make a big difference, but probably less so now that in the past.

Also, is the M4 really necessary? Is the AADT high enough to support the motorway?
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Old August 12th, 2015, 09:43 AM   #5714
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Šentrupert-Velenje-Slovenj Gradec-Dravograd.

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It will be probably the most picturesque motorway in Slovenia.
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Old August 12th, 2015, 03:49 PM   #5716
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Is it planned to link with E66 in Austria?
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Old August 12th, 2015, 04:24 PM   #5717
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Not for now. Austria is currently not interested.
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Old August 12th, 2015, 05:31 PM   #5718
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It is also planned as an expressway, not motorway, and only to Slovenj Gradec for the time being, the extension to Dravograd will probably be a regular road, as there is not as much traffic and locals are against it.
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Also expressways Izola-Lucija and Koper-HR border.

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If Italy still had its pre-WWII borders, there will surely be a motorway triangle connecting Trieste, PulaPola and RijekaFiume. If Yugoslavia was still united, they would probably have built motorways like Ljubljana-Rijeka or Split-Dubrovnik via BiH.
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Almost all asphalt roads of the whole Istrian peninsula before 1980ies were built by Italians before the WWII.
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Old August 12th, 2015, 09:10 PM   #5720
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But this is a major north-south route for Slovenia and this part of Europe. Even if the AADT is low it is a missing link in the SLO motorway network. They could charge extra for this section, or even build it as a half motorway at first.
Must also keep in mind that Slovenia already has one of the highest length of motorways per capita - approx 350mm (about 700km of motorways @ population of 2 milion).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_network_size

Motorways are expensive

It is obvious that investing in new parts with low AADT is low priority.
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