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Old August 21st, 2015, 10:56 PM   #5761
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How busy would the road to Mangart be in early September?

Are there more great Alpine roads besides Vršič?
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Old August 21st, 2015, 11:29 PM   #5762
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How busy would the road to Mangart be in early September?
I don't know.

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Are there more great Alpine roads besides Vršič?
Not really. There are some other mountain passes, but they don't come close to Vršič. I like the Austrian side of the Pavlič Saddle though (1,338 m).
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Old August 21st, 2015, 11:45 PM   #5763
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I would exclude the coastal expressway and the Lendava bypass from the vignette system. I wouldn't exclude the Šentilj-Ptuj motorway, but I'd finish it to the Croatian border ASAP to justify the vignette there as much as possible (well, it's finally U/C).
I'm just wondering if Slovenia will do something to heavily discourage the Mureck-Lenart-Ptuj-Gruškovje alternative route once the Gruškovje-Šentilj motorway is complete.

ChrisZwolle is right though - if you cross at Šentilj or Gruškovje on a busy Saturday, the time wasted actually stopping and buying the vignette negates any advantage that the motorway has. I've seen a huge mess at Gruškovje as people parked wherever they could to buy vignettes (DARS, why the hell don't you take over the old Carina booths and sell vignettes out of them?) - the queue was ridiculous in the shop, and you would've easily wasted 20 minutes trying to find somewhere to park and then actually buying the thing.
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 02:14 AM   #5764
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You can buy a vignette a few kilometers after the border too.
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 05:29 PM   #5765
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You can buy a vignette a few kilometers after the border too.
also across the whole Croatia. each Petrol gas station has it, and probably all Ina stations between Zagreb and Slovenia (both directions Obrežje and Gruškovje). price is absolutely correct regarding the exchange rate (if Petrol and Ina take some provision, it is less than 1%).

i almost always buy the sticker here in my hometown at Petrol.
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 05:38 PM   #5766
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I usually purchase the vignettes in advance too. I went to Slovenia in 2009 and bought the vignette on German A3 east of Regensburg (together with the Austrian vignette). They usually charge you the regular price.
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 07:20 PM   #5767
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I didn't know Slovenian vignettes were sold in Germany.
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 08:10 PM   #5768
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At Germany you can buy the SLO-Vignette, at all ADAC Points.
A3 after Regensberg, at all rest areas
A8 after München, at all rest areas
A99 Vaterstetten rest area
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 08:21 PM   #5769
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At Germany you can buy the SLO-Vignette, at all ADAC Points.
A3 after Regensberg, at all rest areas
A8 after München, at all rest areas
A99 Vaterstetten rest area
this on ADAC points can be tricky. our automobile club HAK also sells vignettes, but they are more expensive than regular price, or than gas stations.
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 08:30 PM   #5770
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https://www.adac-shop.de/index.php?f...6cd707be819f16

7 days: 15 €, 1 month: 30 €, 1 year: 110 €, vignette grater/scraper: 2 €. Plus 2,95 € for shipping if you buy it online.
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 09:26 PM   #5771
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At the ADAC I paid the regular price for the Vignette.
Tolltickets.com sells it for the regular price, too.
http://www.tolltickets.com/country/s...de-DE&mnu=c#se
Also at Italy I got the Vignette for the regular price.
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 10:07 PM   #5772
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You'll get much better Alpine views if you , instead of driving from Krajnjska gora over Vrsic pass to Mangart :

1. Enter Slovenia from Italian side of Predel pass.
2. Than turn to road to Mangart.
3. Descent from Mangart.
4. Than drive from Log pod Mangartom to Bovec.
5. Than drive from Bovec throug Soca valley over Vrsic pass to Kranjska gora.
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Old August 24th, 2015, 10:27 PM   #5773
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this on ADAC points can be tricky. our automobile club HAK also sells vignettes, but they are more expensive than regular price, or than gas stations.
Why not buy it in Austria then?
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Old August 25th, 2015, 04:58 PM   #5774
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If you drive on A4 in direction Croatia - MB you can enjoy watcing Pohorje mountain.

If you drive on A4 in direction MB - Croatia, you don't see Pohorje montain at all.

If you drive in direction Kranjska gora - Vrsic - Bovec - Predel, all the most interesting mountains will be behind you back, and you wont's see them at all.

If you drive in direction Italy - Predel - Mangart - Log pod Mangartom - Bovec - Vrsic - Kranjska gora, all the most interesting mountains will be in front of your eyes.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 05:01 PM   #5775
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Thanks, I was thinking of doing it southbound, but northbound seems better indeed!
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Old August 26th, 2015, 03:41 PM   #5776
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Coastal mayors now propose the expressway Koper-HR via Izola:


http://primorske.si/2015/08/25/Proti...redor-iz-Izole
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It makes sense, building a separate expressway from Koper to the HR border seems a waste of money. It makes more sense to extend the current one.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 10:02 PM   #5778
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How busy would the road to Mangart be in early September?
Nothing to worry about especially outside weekends. However always be aware of many cyclists on that curvy road, especially in tunnels.

As for new H5 proposal - I can't see any seriousness in proposal, that obviously has been drawn in 5 minutes by hand on local politicians initiative. New variant is hardly cheaper because tunnel has similar lenght as current proposal and needs just 2-3 km less construction on mostly flat terrain. With current proposal we also get expanded H5 between A1/H5 and H5/H6 interchanges which wouldn't hurt at all.
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With current proposal we also get expanded H5 between A1/H5 and H5/H6 interchanges which wouldn't hurt at all.
They should first wait for traffic. 37,000 AADT doesn't require 6 lanes.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 11:39 PM   #5780
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Would it became the first 3x2 highway in Slovenia?
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