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Old December 31st, 2015, 12:39 AM   #5881
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I can't see this happening for many reasons. But some sort of electronic vignette (online purchase) could be possible. This should make things easier aka no stopping at the gas station.
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Old December 31st, 2015, 12:16 PM   #5882
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I don't see a corridor vignette happening anywhere in Slovenia. While it's a reasonable solution on certain routes such as the A2-A4 corridor, it would be akin to opening Pandora's box, giving legitimacy to various different local vignette initiatives across the country.
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Old December 31st, 2015, 12:56 PM   #5883
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Thank you both for answers.
However, it is impressive that the AADT here is 35000. I would expect much lower numbers.
Why would you expect that? It is just 10 minutes of driving from Ljubljana bypass.

AADT between Ljubljana and Grosuplje reaches almost 50000. With expanded exit Šmarje Sap it will get few thousand more in just one year according to tender documentation (mostly in rush hours). Morning and afternoon slowdowns congestions are everyday thing here. Lowest AADT on east part of A2 is at the border crossing with 10500.
(more 2014 data here / graphics for 2013 data here)
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Old December 31st, 2015, 02:01 PM   #5884
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but after Grosuplje amount of traffic really falls rapidly. i expected cca 20-25000 at separated part.
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Old December 31st, 2015, 04:19 PM   #5885
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I don't see a corridor vignette happening anywhere in Slovenia. While it's a reasonable solution on certain routes such as the A2-A4 corridor, it would be akin to opening Pandora's box, giving legitimacy to various different local vignette initiatives across the country.
Indeed, although I'm hearing repeated murmurings from a friend involved with transport policy in the EU that *something* will be done about these very expensive vignettes for short term use. There's a suggestion that electronic vignettes will be enforced through an EU directive, which will allow very short term vignettes to be purchased for transit usage.

It is crazy though - if Slovenia introduced one-day transit vignettes for 5 Euro, I would buy one happily. But there's just no way that I'm going to spend 15 Euro to save 20 minutes - sorry Slovenia, but there's a very nice cafe located in the old border crossing at Mureck, and the owner is far more appreciative of my money
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Old December 31st, 2015, 04:56 PM   #5886
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Why would you expect that? It is just 10 minutes of driving from Ljubljana bypass.

AADT between Ljubljana and Grosuplje reaches almost 50000. With expanded exit Šmarje Sap it will get few thousand more in just one year according to tender documentation (mostly in rush hours). Morning and afternoon slowdowns congestions are everyday thing here. Lowest AADT on east part of A2 is at the border crossing with 10500.
(more 2014 data here / graphics for 2013 data here)
The point is, that with this 35000 AADT one can safely drive about 100 to 110 kmph. Okay, new exit Šmarje Sap will add some thousand to the recent AADT, but I think nothing to be worried about. You put noise barriers on Log-Vrhnika section without widening to 3-laned motorway, and the traffic is still OK. Romanians drive better and better, and for weekend there is no trucks at all, which is another OK. Let's say that the yearly vignette will pay itself in April next year. Also, you don't have funny speed limits when fog or rain, as in Croatia. Rijeka beltway in comparison? The worst "toll free" motorway in the world, and you still pay for it when driving from Grobnik to Zagreb.
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Old January 3rd, 2016, 01:04 AM   #5887
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A1 Ljubljana-Koper:


http://www.rtvslo.si/okolje/na-primo...-promet/382451
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Old January 3rd, 2016, 02:24 AM   #5888
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Old January 3rd, 2016, 02:38 PM   #5889
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There is some snow in some winters.
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Old January 19th, 2016, 03:24 PM   #5890
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The construction can start

The National Review Commission dismissed the application for review submitted by a SGP POMGRAD DD And application for review submitted by a GP KRK dd, in stop AWARD OF THE CONTRACT FOR THE SELECTION OF THE CONTRACTOR FOR THE CONSTRUCTION SEGMENT 2.A ETAPE Draženci GRUŠKOVJE
01/15/2016

The National Review Commission today DARS d.d. notified the decision rejecting the application for review filed by the EPA Pomgrad dd and application for review GP Krk dd, in the public procurement procedure for selection of contractor for the "realization of the construction Segment AC Draženci - MMP Gruškovje - 2a. Stage of 7,26 km to 13.03 km in length 5.771 km. "

http://www.dars.si/Novice/DRzAVNA_RE...LCA__1388.aspx

Sorry, this is not the best translate.
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Old January 19th, 2016, 03:46 PM   #5891
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Indeed, although I'm hearing repeated murmurings from a friend involved with transport policy in the EU that *something* will be done about these very expensive vignettes for short term use. There's a suggestion that electronic vignettes will be enforced through an EU directive, which will allow very short term vignettes to be purchased for transit usage.

It is crazy though - if Slovenia introduced one-day transit vignettes for 5 Euro, I would buy one happily. But there's just no way that I'm going to spend 15 Euro to save 20 minutes - sorry Slovenia, but there's a very nice cafe located in the old border crossing at Mureck, and the owner is far more appreciative of my money
Nobody has yet one for cars - only for trucks and buses(maybe they think transit isn't the word for light cars but for trucks and buses only). For cars they'd say some s*** like 'trespassing' or 'driving through' being not synonym to transit. And, anyway, they have to earn money somehow(even in a stupid/unfair way )
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Old January 19th, 2016, 05:36 PM   #5892
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The construction can start



The National Review Commission dismissed the application for review submitted by a SGP POMGRAD DD And application for review submitted by a GP KRK dd, in stop AWARD OF THE CONTRACT FOR THE SELECTION OF THE CONTRACTOR FOR THE CONSTRUCTION SEGMENT 2.A ETAPE Draženci GRUŠKOVJE

01/15/2016



The National Review Commission today DARS d.d. notified the decision rejecting the application for review filed by the EPA Pomgrad dd and application for review GP Krk dd, in the public procurement procedure for selection of contractor for the "realization of the construction Segment AC Draženci - MMP Gruškovje - 2a. Stage of 7,26 km to 13.03 km in length 5.771 km. "



http://www.dars.si/Novice/DRzAVNA_RE...LCA__1388.aspx



Sorry, this is not the best translate.

So construction can start? When will they turn the first sod?
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Old January 19th, 2016, 06:07 PM   #5893
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In a few weeks, probably. The appeal was rejected but they still have to sign the contract.
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Old January 30th, 2016, 03:57 PM   #5894
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A4 under construction:


http://www.tednik.si/ac-drazenci-gru...skega-podjetja
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Old January 31st, 2016, 12:08 AM   #5895
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Major pileup on A1 Ljubljana-Koper due to fog. 71 vehicles involved, 4 people died, 30 are injured.


http://www.delo.si/novice/kronika/na...o-trcenje.html

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Old January 31st, 2016, 02:33 AM   #5896
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absolutely disaster, but fog is the worse than snow or ice on motorway
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Old January 31st, 2016, 02:57 PM   #5897
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Major pileup on A1 Ljubljana-Koper due to fog. 71 vehicles involved, 4 people died, 30 are injured.
Made also news in Hungary, with 15 Hungarians (from three cars and one truck) involved and one of them transported to hospital with minor injuries.
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Old January 31st, 2016, 03:03 PM   #5898
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It also made the news in the Netherlands. They say it's the largest road accident in Slovenian history.
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Old January 31st, 2016, 04:39 PM   #5899
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It also made the news in the Netherlands. They say it's the largest road accident in Slovenian history.
Yep, it's the biggest road accident in history. That's already the 3rd major road accident on motorways since 2010*. In 2014 near Postojna there was 51 vehicles involved, one died and 39 were injured. Before that, between Višnja Gora and Grosuplje, there was 38 vehicles involved, three died and 23 were injured.

Edit: Second most deadliest accident happend in 2005 near Trebnje (previously the missing part of motorway) where 8 people died.

*In the media they reported that first major accident happend in 2011 but this is not true as can you see news about that here

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Old January 31st, 2016, 04:50 PM   #5900
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Among the 4 dead are 2 Slovenes, a Romanian and a Bosnian. I met with someone from Koper yesterday. He was two hours late.
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