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Old July 14th, 2016, 08:01 PM   #6061
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Will the old section of H4 near Nova Gorica keep its green motorway signs (installed when it was classificated as motorway), or will they be replaced with new blue expressway signs?
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Old July 14th, 2016, 08:08 PM   #6062
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Dars motorway company has announced a construction tender of a full exit Šmarje-Sap (currently just a half exit - map)

This junction will be more complicated because of very limited space:


Full exit will help relieving everyday congestion between Ljubljana and Škofljica on main road 106 where AADT reaches 18500 on two-laned road through towns with traffic lights. It will also act as a backup connection in case of urgent events. Construction also includes a 150 m long drainage tunnel.

The preparation works (on the future full Šmarje-Sap exit) have already started! (14.07.2016)







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Old July 14th, 2016, 08:43 PM   #6063
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Does this change anything in terms of regulations or numbering?
Not for existing roads. The white car on a blue background will from now on be used for roads, reserved for motor vehicles with a speed limit of 90 km/h. At the moment, it will only be used on the G2-104 in Ljubljana and the initial stretch of the G2-101 Ljubelj road between the A2 and Tržič.

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Will the old section of H4 near Nova Gorica keep its green motorway signs (installed when it was classificated as motorway), or will they be replaced with new blue expressway signs?
No, not immediately. However, those signs will be replaced in the coming year after the renovation works on that stretch are complete. Right now it's not clear if they'll begin in autumn or next spring.
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Old July 14th, 2016, 10:02 PM   #6064
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Not for existing roads. The white car on a blue background will from now on be used for roads, reserved for motor vehicles with a speed limit of 90 km/h. At the moment, it will only be used on the G2-104 in Ljubljana and the initial stretch of the G2-101 Ljubelj road between the A2 and Tr˛ič.
That's pretty confusing, especially as most people will be used to the idea of the sign meaning "expressway" with a higher limit.

The idea of having blue and green motorway signs is odd, I don't like it.
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Old July 14th, 2016, 10:34 PM   #6065
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The idea of having blue and green motorway signs is odd, I don't like it.
It's like that only in Italy and Albania.

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That's pretty confusing, especially as most people will be used to the idea of the sign meaning "expressway" with a higher limit.
These are European countries with a general speed limit (at least 100 km/h) on roads reserved for motor vehicles (mostly Central and Eastern Europe):

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Old July 15th, 2016, 12:06 AM   #6066
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That's pretty confusing, especially as most people will be used to the idea of the sign meaning "expressway" with a higher limit.

The idea of having blue and green motorway signs is odd, I don't like it.
IMO, this (and some other changes) were completely unnecessary and don't bring any meaningful improvement to the signage, they're just the consequence of a "me-too" mentality in the Ministry of Infrastructure. Some bureaucrats probably saw those designs in Croatia/Italy/Germany/wherever and thought it would be nice if Slovenian signs were like that, too.
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Old July 15th, 2016, 12:48 AM   #6067
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It's like that only in Italy and Albania.
Is there a sign in Albania that is different from its Italian counterpart? Even the font it's the same.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 03:31 PM   #6068
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i saw that you are replasing national limit signs with new, blue ones. change obviously goes fast.

is A5 remaining green?
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Old July 16th, 2016, 04:03 PM   #6069
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Traffic congestion from Maribor towards Zagreb is really intense, according to Google Maps and DARS the lineup before the Croatian border already starts on A4 north of Ptuj, a good 20 kilometers long. Google Maps indicates a travel time of 1.5 hours on that stretch, but is notoriously unreliable to accurately state delays with stationary traffic.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 04:34 PM   #6070
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Are there currently any construction works on A4 from Ptuj to the border with Croatia or this influx is related to the big seasonal traffic going to the sea from central Europe?
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Old July 16th, 2016, 04:36 PM   #6071
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Are there currently any construction works on A4 from Ptuj to the border with Croatia or this influx is related to the big seasonal traffic going to the sea from central Europe?
jam is because of high tourist season and heavy traffic towards HR, but works are also going on (there would be the jam also without works)
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Old July 16th, 2016, 04:55 PM   #6072
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i saw that you are replasing national limit signs with new, blue ones. change obviously goes fast.

is A5 remaining green?
Yes.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 05:03 PM   #6073
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jam is because of high tourist season and heavy traffic towards HR, but works are also going on (there would be the jam also without works)
This means probably that another motorway like Ilz-Murska Sobota-Varazdin is necessary to cope with the traffic.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 06:14 PM   #6074
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It looks like the long awaited section of the expressway Šentrupert (A1) - Velenje has reached the next planning phase. I expect that this version will be confirmed in the national spatial plan despite the strong NIMBY and farming land protection elements. First land purchase can be expected before the end of the year. If all goes well.

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Old July 16th, 2016, 07:33 PM   #6075
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This means probably that another motorway like Ilz-Murska Sobota-Varazdin is necessary to cope with the traffic.
This is the right thread for you.

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jam is because of high tourist season and heavy traffic towards HR, but works are also going on (there would be the jam also without works)
Everyone's going to Ptuj. After all, it used to be as large as Vienna and London combined.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 09:04 PM   #6076
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This is the right thread for you.
I was serious about the road around Murska Sobota.
Of course Slovenia can build Sentrupert-Velenje and it makes real sense when it is prolonged afterwards to Austria's A2 and Croatia'a A1. It will cover the traffic on such occasions from Praga and Berlin. On the other side Hungary can build the expressway/motorway from Szombathely to Nagykanizsa which will serve the traffic from Poland, Slovakia and Eastern Czechia.

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Old July 16th, 2016, 09:24 PM   #6077
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I don't think that a second motorways north of Murska Sobota is impossible. But it's a long term project. The motorway would follow the railway tracks to the borders of Hungary.

For the A1 - Velenje... it does not have an international importance. It's an internal motorway. Velenje is the hometown of the biggest Slovenian exporter and further north is the center of the SLO steel industry (beside Jesenice).
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Old July 16th, 2016, 09:54 PM   #6078
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Traffic congestion from Maribor towards Zagreb is really intense, according to Google Maps and DARS the lineup before the Croatian border already starts on A4 north of Ptuj, a good 20 kilometers long. Google Maps indicates a travel time of 1.5 hours on that stretch, but is notoriously unreliable to accurately state delays with stationary traffic.
People are idiots, anyone with a brain knows that the border at Gruskovje/Macelj is going to be a complete mess on a summer Saturday, and there's plenty of other border crossings in that area to choose from, most of which are completely empty.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 10:16 PM   #6079
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Believe me, most people are completely ignorant about their trip to a holiday destination. They book a nice apartment or mobile home, only to find out 2 weeks beforehand that they're having to drive on a busy Friday/Saturday, if it occurs to them at all.

Since many people visit different countries on their annual summer holiday, most are not aware of the exact bottlenecks in every country. They rely on GPS, often without a live traffic feed.

Just this morning there was 60 minutes delay on A6-A7 through Lyon, while the signposted route for southbound traffic (A46) around the city had no reports of congestion. People take A6-A7 regardless because it's the shortest route, and the fastest if there would be no traffic.

A similar thing occurred Friday on E17 from Belgium to France. There were very long delays due to border checks. For through traffic, this isn't even the signposted route (it takes you around the Lille metropolitan area), however E17 is the shortest and without congestion the fastest route. So all those people blindly follow their GPS and get caught in a huge traffic jam, while the signposted route is uncongested.
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Old July 17th, 2016, 12:39 AM   #6080
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France/Belgium is special case right now. There are border crossing delays everywhere. As for the road at Ptuj to HR, luckily its not a highway yet so its possible to actually turn around without any prob. If it was a highway you would be locked after last exit.
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