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Old January 30th, 2017, 11:47 AM   #6241
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It's official: Starting tomorrow morning, the first average speed camera system in the country will start operating on the westbound carriageway of the A1 Maribor - Ljubljana between Trojane and Blagovica, through the Trojane and Podmilj tunnels. The speed limit is 100 km/h.
I don't like average speed cameras, but in tunnels, it seems fair enough, especially given the huge amounts of transit traffic in Slovenia.
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Old January 30th, 2017, 06:43 PM   #6242
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The worst is A1 between Maribor (A5) and Divača (A3), other motorways aren't that bad.
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Old January 30th, 2017, 07:49 PM   #6243
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The worst is A1 between Maribor (A5) and Divača (A3), other motorways aren't that bad.

That's close to 40% of the total motorway network length, though, so not that insignficant..
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Old January 30th, 2017, 08:22 PM   #6244
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202 km ÷ 601 km = 34%
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Old January 31st, 2017, 01:02 AM   #6245
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202 km ÷ 601 km = 34%

I wrote specifically motorway, thus excluding expressways, and if my data is correct, we should then be around 38,1% (which I described as almost 40%)

In any way, it is still not an insignificant portion :-)
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Old February 2nd, 2017, 11:01 AM   #6246
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Aparently there are some discussions to implement cheaper vignettes valid only for some stretches of motorway or expressway.
Stretches that will possibly get this option would be:
- Markovec tunnel on H6 Koper-Izola
- LJ ringroad
- MB bypass (A1, H2 or both?)
Koper and Izola municipalities are discussing about the closure of G111 road between them, to convert it into a coastal walkway (the road runs literally few meters from the sea).
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Old February 2nd, 2017, 11:15 AM   #6247
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That about local vignettes won't happen. Those are just political wishes of two coastal mayors and some promises of our incompetent infrastructure minister.

G111 will be closed at that section that you mention as it was already planned in the past but closure date is not known yet.
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Old February 2nd, 2017, 11:44 AM   #6248
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That about local vignettes won't happen. Those are just political wishes of two coastal mayors and some promises of our incompetent infrastructure minister.

G111 will be closed at that section that you mention as it was already planned in the past but closure date is not known yet.
Wonderful. Coastal road closed and 15€ for the tunnel. Tourism to Izola, Piran and Portoroz will decline a lot.
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Old February 2nd, 2017, 12:26 PM   #6249
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Wonderful. Coastal road closed and 15€ for the tunnel. Tourism to Izola, Piran and Portoroz will decline a lot.
Quite the opposite, 3 km of shore beeing free for tourist redevelopment between two costal cities.

Even now it's mostly empty, a waste of space.
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Old February 2nd, 2017, 12:55 PM   #6250
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Local vignettes almost certainly won't happen, but there are also talks about making the tunnel toll-free, like the Izola bypass is.
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Old February 2nd, 2017, 02:11 PM   #6251
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Wonderful. Coastal road closed and 15€ for the tunnel. Tourism to Izola, Piran and Portoroz will decline a lot.
You can drive this way. It's easy, just straight forward.
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Old February 2nd, 2017, 04:19 PM   #6252
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Wonderful. Coastal road closed and 15€ for the tunnel. Tourism to Izola, Piran and Portoroz will decline a lot.
It didn't decline up to now so I don't see a problem. Almost all tourists that arrive to Slovenian coast, have a vignette already now - that can be easily seen on parking lots.
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Old February 2nd, 2017, 07:43 PM   #6253
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AADT data show that ~25% of all traffic coming from Italy at the Škofije border crossing continues on the old road instead of H5 expressway.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 09:57 AM   #6254
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Those are mostly locals from both side of the border. There are some tourist among them ofcourse.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 11:28 AM   #6255
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Locals mostly have vignettes, and there isn't so many of them.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 11:38 AM   #6256
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it's not easy to find the old road just after border crossing. There is a need to drive through a petrol station, as far, as I remember.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 11:49 AM   #6257
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it's not easy to find the old road just after border crossing. There is a need to get in petrol station, as far, as I remember.
Exactly. The day I did a daytrip to visit Koper, Izola, Piran and Portoroz (all in a day), I bought the vignette because I figured I would have spent too much time to navigate along local roads. Unfortunately there's no a single parallel road, but you have to travel through unsigned local streets.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 02:43 PM   #6258
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The day I did a daytrip to visit Koper, Izola, Piran and Portoroz (all in a day), I bought the vignette because I figured I would have spent too much time to navigate along local roads.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 02:52 PM   #6259
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Well, it's always funny to see how so many tourists travel to the Croatian coast and pass through Slovenia, quite often they travel more than 1000 km one way, and then they waste so much of their vacation time and also gas trying to avoid the vignette sticker in Slovenia... At least when it comes to Šentilj-Gruškovje, I don't know why one would drive another hour on terrible side roads just to save 15 euros... probably the same in Koper region.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 03:35 PM   #6260
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Well, the vignette cost € 15. It takes more time to park, go in the shop, buy the vignette, attach it to the windshield than to actually drive the entire 5 minute stretch of toll road...

€ 15 for 5 minutes of expressway travel is outrageous.
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