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Old February 3rd, 2017, 04:21 PM   #6261
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15 € for 5 minutes for any expressway or motorway travel is outrageous - but there are numerous such section all over Europe.
Vignettes have their own pluses. Motorways and expressways are still made for domestic travel in the first place.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 04:55 PM   #6262
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It's too easy to dismiss a legitimate concern of € 15 for 5 minutes of travel with 'motorways are chiefly for domestic travel' or 'there are other locations like this too'.

It's just a cash cow, they should do what Austria had for A14 near Bregenz, a corridor vignette, of say € 3 and valid one day for that section of H5-A1 from the Italian border to Koper. Which you can purchase at a ticket machine so you don't have to get out of the car. Instead of a vignette, you receive a receipt to show to DARS if checked. Another option is to scan the license plate while purchasing the corridor vignette so it can be enforced by automatic scanners along H5 like the vignette.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 07:57 PM   #6263
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Good!
At that time I though Izola bypass was under vignette too, while it's not.
Markovec tunnel was still to be opened.
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Old February 4th, 2017, 01:36 AM   #6264
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It's too easy to dismiss a legitimate concern of € 15 for 5 minutes of travel with 'motorways are chiefly for domestic travel' or 'there are other locations like this too'.

It's just a cash cow, they should do what Austria had for A14 near Bregenz, a corridor vignette, of say € 3 and valid one day for that section of H5-A1 from the Italian border to Koper. Which you can purchase at a ticket machine so you don't have to get out of the car. Instead of a vignette, you receive a receipt to show to DARS if checked. Another option is to scan the license plate while purchasing the corridor vignette so it can be enforced by automatic scanners along H5 like the vignette.
Well, they won't do that because they want to profit on clueless tourists heading to Croatia.
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Old February 4th, 2017, 02:04 AM   #6265
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The vignette is only the beginning. When they finally reach Croatia, they get the whole new perspective on tourist preying.
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Old February 4th, 2017, 04:49 PM   #6266
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Anyway, no local vignettes will be introduced in short term. There is no justified reason for doing that.
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Old February 4th, 2017, 05:33 PM   #6267
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A toll of € 15 for 5 minutes of travel on a major international corridor used by many tourists and other traffic is reason enough to me. The toll is completely out of proportion.

Of course, this is inherent to a flat-fee pricing structure like a vignette, but the problem of overpriced travel is almost nowhere as pronounced as on this corridor.
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Old February 4th, 2017, 05:34 PM   #6268
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it's not easy to find the old road just after border crossing. There is a need to drive through a petrol station, as far, as I remember.
AFAIR it's necessary to leave the motorway in Austria yet. Such an information is quite precisely written at Polish sites about travelling to Croatia. But I guess the cost of Slovenian vignette is just another necessary part of entire cost of travel to Croatia. Actually I had the same dilemma last year, but then decided to reach Pula by Slovenian A1 (not by Ptuj, Zagreb and Rijeka), so the vignette was needed... and then realized that one has to pay almost a half of the weekly Slovenian vignette just for one travel through the Istra! It was €6,50 or so and as for it I used the old national road while coming back. So is this such an expensive thing? I don't think so. It might seem to be much more expensive than Austrian one... but if someone decide to go through Karawankentunnel or Tauernautobahn, then travelling through Slovenia seems to be a paradise of cheapness.
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Old February 4th, 2017, 06:28 PM   #6269
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AFAIR it's necessary to leave the motorway in Austria yet.
Border crossing Škofije lies on the border with Italy, not Austria (between Koper and Trieste).
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Old February 4th, 2017, 06:30 PM   #6270
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I meant travelling from Graz to Croatia, whatever
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Kiedy padł ten pierwszy strzał, Kosteczku, to wszystko się zaczęło, zaczęli strzelać ci grenszuce, których chłopcy jeszcze nie zdążyli rozbroić, i zaczęli strzelać ci chłopcy, którzy już mieli jakieś karabiny albo nulachty, i posypało się trochę strzałów. Słyszałeś krzyki:
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Old February 4th, 2017, 08:29 PM   #6271
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Then in Austria, yes (Spielfeld).
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Old February 7th, 2017, 04:45 PM   #6272
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it's not easy to find the old road just after border crossing. There is a need to drive through a petrol station, as far, as I remember.
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Border crossing Škofije lies on the border with Italy, not Austria (between Koper and Trieste).
It lies there, indeed. Here it is
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Old February 8th, 2017, 05:57 PM   #6273
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Interesting, stairs in the middle of the H5 expressway.
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Old February 8th, 2017, 11:40 PM   #6274
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I have seen very similar stairs on Belgian N4. Wait, have some pics somewhere...
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Old February 25th, 2017, 07:42 PM   #6275
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DARS motorway company has issued a map of 126 tolling points on new free-flow tolling system for vehicles above 3.5 t, involving DSRC microwave technology, similar to Austrian, but (of course) not compatible.

https://www.dars.si/Novice/Nadaljeva...tema_1562.aspx
yellow points are locations of tolling portals
red points are locations of toll control portals - they should register vehicles that are not correctly tolled.

Works are already in progress with portal foundations, new guardrails and cables. In next few days first two portals will be erected, primarily for testing purposes. Other portals will follow in next three months. Cost of developing, building and maintaining the whole system for 10 years will be 90,6 million euro.

Tolling will commence in beginning 2018.
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Old February 25th, 2017, 08:08 PM   #6276
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It's been almost 8 years since I've been to Slovenia, are there still toll gates on the motorways from the previous tolling system?
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Old February 25th, 2017, 09:18 PM   #6277
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They are still here for trucks but they are not major obstacle to other traffic as some tollbooths were removed in the middle, like here:
https://www.google.si/maps/@46.00568...2!8i6656?hl=sl
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Old February 25th, 2017, 09:31 PM   #6278
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Right. When I visited in 2009, they were still like this:


This was on A1 between Ljubljana and Maribor (I suppose it's not the typical motorway many Dutch tourists use).
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Old February 26th, 2017, 01:22 AM   #6279
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Exactly. The day I did a daytrip to visit Koper, Izola, Piran and Portoroz (all in a day), I bought the vignette because I figured I would have spent too much time to navigate along local roads. Unfortunately there's no a single parallel road, but you have to travel through unsigned local streets.
by now all Triestini already figured out that petrol station. with bonifika bypass opened, the road now is pretty straight forward, there are even two variants now, the other one being along the H5. but I agree it still needs improvement, also in signage.

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Right. When I visited in 2009, they were still like this:
it is mostly still like that. the time flies slowly here
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Old February 26th, 2017, 04:33 PM   #6280
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Right. When I visited in 2009, they were still like this:
http://i.imgur.com/oPOqmNG.jpg

This was on A1 between Ljubljana and Maribor (I suppose it's not the typical motorway many Dutch tourists use).
this one (Vransko, if i'm not wrong) is one of limited barriers considering the number of lanes, so they have left one lane changeble (on your photo it is for >3,5t traffic, and sometimes it changes on <3,5t traffic). similar situation is at Pesnica.
the only one that can be refurbished reagarding the space and capacity, and it still isn't, is Krško.
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