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Old October 8th, 2017, 11:20 PM   #6441
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I was REALLY SURPRISED today to see A4 between Lancova vas and Draženci already fully opened to traffic with 130 km/h towards Maribor! One month earlier than planned! Podlehnik-Lancova vas is also almost finished, just some noise barriers missing, but should be ready in 1-2 weeks !! Driving south towards Croatia, Draženci-Podlehnik was also in a very advanced state. It should be a matter of days, really. Traffic is already flowing on each respective side, one lane only. It was a pleasure to drive on the finished motorway section today!

Podlehnik-Gruškovje: traffic going on the western part of the motorway now, the eastern lanes (towards Maribor) are being constructed. Only near the border around the tunnel the works are not really advanced yet. Perhaps they will finish all the way to Zakl exit already before the 2018 tourist season?
The Slovenes are taking it seriously . Any pics mate ?
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Old October 8th, 2017, 11:36 PM   #6442
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Contractor has a plan to open whole motorway up to border before 2018 tourist season (about 6 month ahead of schedule). If the winter won't be very cold or snowy or there won't be any other surprises then they might succeed.
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Old October 8th, 2017, 11:48 PM   #6443
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Today I drove on some roads around Goriška region. Some signs pointing to H4 are blue (correct, new), while other are green (obsolete). I didn't drive on H4 itself, as it would have required the vignette.
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Old October 9th, 2017, 02:41 AM   #6444
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Highway A4 Draženci – Gruškovje

Hopefully the DARS will soon install new webcams at the new exits on the A4
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Old October 9th, 2017, 01:29 PM   #6445
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The Slovenes are taking it seriously . Any pics mate ?
Sorry, not this time. I was driving myself and was in a hurry. Might be driving there again soon, will try to film the drive.
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Old October 12th, 2017, 05:11 AM   #6446
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https://www.vecer.com/avtocestni-odsek-do-podlehnika-koncan-odprt-bo-novembra-6326686
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Old October 13th, 2017, 12:12 AM   #6447
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Interchange Šmarje-Sap on A2 SE of Ljubljana is now fully open.


http://www.rtvslo.si/lokalne-novice/...o-odprt/435032
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Old October 14th, 2017, 09:34 PM   #6448
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From now on the vehicles can move to the shoulder lane too in the case of a traffic jam to form the emergency lane in the middle. (Until now they had to move to the far left/right but not crossing the shoulder line)

http://www.rtvslo.si/slovenija/v-primeru-nesrece-lahko-vozniki-zapeljejo-na-odstavni-pas-avtoceste/435188
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Old October 15th, 2017, 12:04 AM   #6449
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Today I filmed the A4 Draženci - Gruškovje for you (video is in 2x speed) so you can see how far the works have progressed. The video shows the direction towards south (border). On the other side, as I've mentioned last weekend, Lancova vas - Draženci is already opened for traffic with 130km/h limit. Enjoy.

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Old October 15th, 2017, 12:22 AM   #6450
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Today I filmed the A4 Draženci - Gruškovje for you (video is in 2x speed) so you can see how far the works have progressed. The video shows the direction towards south (border). On the other side, as I've mentioned last weekend, Lancova vas - Draženci is already opened for traffic with 130km/h limit. Enjoy.

MMP Gruskovje ? Why not just a border crossing symbol instead.
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Old October 15th, 2017, 09:57 AM   #6451
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MMP Gruskovje ? Why not just a border crossing symbol instead.
Yes, very strange. Another thing I did not like was that it says: next gas station 14 km (from the Podlehnik station under construction). There is no gas station until Sveti Križ Začretje, the place in 14 km is probably the parking lot between Macelj and Đurmanec.
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Old October 15th, 2017, 12:53 PM   #6452
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From now on the vehicles can move to the shoulder lane too in the case of a traffic jam to form the emergency lane in the middle. (Until now they had to move to the far left/right but not crossing the shoulder line)

http://www.rtvslo.si/slovenija/v-pri...toceste/435188
i really don't like that rule. imo it is better to form emergency lane in the middle between 2 lanes, and to leave shoulder lane free. somehow comes much more natural not to touch shoulder in any case.
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It is difficult to do on just 2 lanes + shoulder, there is not enough width.
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It is difficult to do on just 2 lanes + shoulder, there is not enough width.
3,75+3,75=7,50. truck is 2,50 wide, car is 2,00 wide. so 3 metres are left. thus, at the left side cars can steal additional 0,50. more than enough not only for any emergency vehicles, but also for proper semitrailers.
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Old October 15th, 2017, 05:56 PM   #6455
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MMP Gruskovje ? Why not just a border crossing symbol instead.
That sign has been there since they finished the previous A4 section. It doesn't look right to me, I don't think border crossings are signed as destinations anywhere else on the motorway network.

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3,75+3,75=7,50. truck is 2,50 wide, car is 2,00 wide. so 3 metres are left. thus, at the left side cars can steal additional 0,50. more than enough not only for any emergency vehicles, but also for proper semitrailers.
In theory. In practice, it was very tight unless trucks in the right lane were partially on the shoulder.
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Old October 15th, 2017, 10:59 PM   #6456
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Larger cars have already 2,20 m between mirror edges or even more. Firemen trucks are also proper trucks with 2,50 m width. And you need at least half a meter on every side for manoeuvring. There are enough videos on internet that show you what happens in practice, an example:

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Old October 16th, 2017, 01:56 AM   #6457
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I would use the hard shoulder only if an emergency vehicle were actually coming, not otherwise.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 03:08 PM   #6458
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When they are coming is usually already too late to move. How can a truck move to the right when all the vehicles are already stopped and stacked together?
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Old October 16th, 2017, 08:16 PM   #6459
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I do see this as the main problem with this rule. If the traffic is still moving at least intermittently, it would be weird and possibly illegal to use the hard shoulder (would you move onto and off the hard shoulder every few seconds?), but when the traffic does come to a complete halt it may be too late to move there.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 10:21 PM   #6460
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I understand that you can use the hard shoulder when necessary, not have to. So it should not be a problem at all. It's more adjusting law to the reality
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