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Old October 16th, 2017, 11:18 PM   #6461
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in Austria they are also forcing moving to the shoulder lane, but frankly, in reality i have never experienced it, cars were always been moving to the edge of rightmost lane.
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Old October 17th, 2017, 02:31 AM   #6462
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When they are coming is usually already too late to move. How can a truck move to the right when all the vehicles are already stopped and stacked together?
Vehicles (particularly trucks) shouldn't be stopped so close to each other so they can't move. And if the vehicle in front of you moves a bit, it gives you even more space to move.
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Old October 17th, 2017, 10:41 PM   #6463
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Something I have not noticed before was that almost in all traffic jams across europe, people were driving at far right or far left depending on lane. Thus when an emergency vehicle were coming they had already made space, instead of waiting to see if any would show up before making space.

Seemed like a good solution and it also blocked people from switching lane a bit.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 03:27 PM   #6464
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The newly-completed section of the A4 between Draženci and Podlehnik will require a vignette from November 23 onwards.
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Old October 19th, 2017, 11:26 AM   #6465
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The newly-completed section of the A4 between Draženci and Podlehnik will require a vignette from November 23 onwards.
Which means the section will definitely be ready by November 23? I suppose even earlier, but we'll see.
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Old October 19th, 2017, 12:37 PM   #6466
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Which means the section will definitely be ready by November 23? I suppose even earlier, but we'll see.
Too early Christmas gift.
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Old October 19th, 2017, 06:21 PM   #6467
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Which means the section will definitely be ready by November 23? I suppose even earlier, but we'll see.
It appears so. The government needs to officially add it to the toll network and the proposed decree has an effective date of November 23. I'm no expert but given that the works are practically completed, I think it's realistic.
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Old October 20th, 2017, 06:18 PM   #6468
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On slovenian motorways will be next year introduce more secion controls also know as tutor sistem.

Trojane section will be covert in both ways and some other part of motorway between
- Maribor - Ljubljana (A1)
- Ljubljana- Koper (A1)
- Ljubljana - Zagreb (A2).

Detail list will be known at end of this month.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 12:55 PM   #6469
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Dars has published the list of sections that will be covered by average speed cameras:

- A1 Ljubljana - Maribor, over Trojane Pass, from the entrance to Podmilj Tunnel to the exit of Ločica Tunnel, in both directions (by mid-2018) - location
- A1 Ljubljana - Koper, between Logatec and Postojna, southbound (by late 2018) - location
- A2 Ljubljana - Novo mesto, between Grosuplje and Višnja Gora, eastbound (by late 2018) - location
- A1 in the Celje area, between Dramlje and Celje west, westbound (by mid-2019) - location
- A1 Ljubljana - Koper, between Brezovica and Vrhnika, in both directions (by mid-2019, pending removal of Log toll station) - location

After all cameras are installed, a significant part of the A1 will be covered by speed cameras, either average speed or regular.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 06:01 PM   #6470
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A1, reconstruction, section Ravbarkomanda-Unec / 7 km.

https://siol.net/novice/slovenija/mn...i-video-452625

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Old November 18th, 2017, 12:32 AM   #6471
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Maybe someone will find this relevant.
For another reason I'm just looking into the Official Gazette of The People's Republic of Slovenia, year 1947.
In number 31, issued on August 2nd, 1947, there is the so-called "Five Year Plan Law" (Zakon o petletnem planu ... 1947-1951). In the article 16, under the name "Roads" the sub-article 4 clearly says: "Put into the reconsideration of the federal road program the (building of) the Autostrada (literally!) Ljubljana - Zagreb and the reconstruction of the road Postojna - Maribor, etc." (In Slovenian: 4. Izvršiti v dopolnitev zveznega cestnega programa avtostrade Ljubljana-Zagreb in modernizacije ceste Postojna-Maribor (itn.)).

Therefore it seems that the Slovenian road cross was determined in the year 1947, and the original Slovenian term for the motorway/expressway is Avtostrada (Italian: Autostrada!).
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Old November 18th, 2017, 12:54 AM   #6472
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Italy was (although arguabily) the first country to have roads restricted to motor vehicles, so initially the term autostrada was used for similar project abroad. However, considering the political situation is quite weird that Yugoslavia used the Italian term in 1947.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old November 18th, 2017, 01:38 AM   #6473
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Reminds me of Tito when he drove on the Brotherhood and Unity Highway and said: "This isn't an autostrada, it's strada auto." ("car suffers" in Serbo-Croatian)
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Old November 18th, 2017, 10:56 AM   #6474
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It is necessary to know, that after WW2 there were literally no paved roads in Slovenia except in some towns and cities and few exceptions like Ljubljana-Kranj. But some good roads were already constructed by Mussolini west of Postojna.
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The Wehrmacht paved during the WWII the road from Spielfeld/Šentilj, through Maribor, Ptuj, Ormož (?) up to Varaždin, with the planned pavement up to Zagreb, I think.

And of course, the road from the center of Ljubljana to Škofljica was already paved before the WWII, why would otherwise the old expressway (the Avtostrada) Zagreb-Ljubljana end in Škofljica.

BTW, I think that the widening of Šmarje-Sap exit wasn't such a good idea. The entrance to Ljubljana and the exit from Ljubljana ends/begins literally at the end of the tunnel Šmarje-Sap. But we shall see. I expect delays in the rushhours up to the OMV gas station, and of course probable limit of 80 kmh on the motorway in the wider Šmarje-Sap exit.

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Reminds me of Tito when he drove on the Brotherhood and Unity Highway and said: "This isn't an autostrada, it's strada auto." ("car suffers" in Serbo-Croatian)
Was there any square named after him in LJ?
In this photo you may see that he visited one of the places named after him.
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Old November 18th, 2017, 08:52 PM   #6477
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And of course, the road from the center of Ljubljana to Škofljica was already paved before the WWII, why would otherwise the old expressway (the Avtostrada) Zagreb-Ljubljana end in Škofljica.
Maybe because they needed to build two tunnels on the motorway in 1992.

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Was there any square named after him in LJ?
No. The photo was taken on the Tito Road (Titova cesta) in central Ljubljana, which is now called Slovenska cesta (and the much longer part outside the city-centre is now Dunajska cesta).
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BTW, I think that the widening of Šmarje-Sap exit wasn't such a good idea. The entrance to Ljubljana and the exit from Ljubljana ends/begins literally at the end of the tunnel Šmarje-Sap. But we shall see. I expect delays in the rushhours up to the OMV gas station, and of course probable limit of 80 kmh on the motorway in the wider Šmarje-Sap exit.
Start&stop traffic in morning rushhours often begins before Grosuplje east exit, sometimes even few kilometers after Višnja Gora exit (for example on rainy Monday morning). That was happening even before new exit was opened. Problem is that Ljubljana bypass cannot handle so much traffic. Some unofficial figures show that traffic has dramatically intensified in last year or two.
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Old November 20th, 2017, 02:32 AM   #6479
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It has, everyone who drives there in rush hours can see that. The worst has become the eastern bypass, which is entirely gridlocked southbound.
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Old November 20th, 2017, 03:01 AM   #6480
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I would suggest the building of third lane in both directions from the interchange Kozarje to the interchange Malence, i.e. the southern part of the beltway. And probably the third line from the interchange Kozarje to exit Brezovica on the A1. I suppose that the removal of the toll ramp Log will improve the flow on Kozarje-Vrhnika section.

Have been driving on refurbished, yet unopened section Unec-Postojna. It seems that the alignment is similar as in Germany, i.e. two driving lanes and the hard shoulder which is as wide as regular lane, therefore this section will have three lanes in rush-hours. Although, the whole concept may fell because the viaduct Ravbarkomanda was not widened enough (I suppose that it was impossible because of some structural reason).
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