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Old December 14th, 2017, 10:34 AM   #6521
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Tender was published today for construction of second Karavanke tunnel tube. It is planned that construction with renovation of existing tube will take 5 years.
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Old December 14th, 2017, 02:04 PM   #6522
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Is this a joint Slovene-Austrian tender?
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Old December 14th, 2017, 07:52 PM   #6523
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In Croatia you pay 8€ to drive 50km in Istria. Do you see me complaining all the time?
tunnel toll included.
in Slovenia you pay 22,20€ for similar thing from Ljubljana to Villach.
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Old December 14th, 2017, 10:48 PM   #6524
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Is this a joint Slovene-Austrian tender?
No, every country has its own tender.
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Old December 14th, 2017, 11:42 PM   #6525
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I know and understand that foreigns driver are mad when they have to pay our vignette.

But you have to understand Slovenia also, we are one of the most transit countries in Europe if not the most one.

Around 80% cars with foreign plate are pure transit throught Slovenia. So the money they spend on Vignette is the only money they leave in Slovenia. So i think this is one of the reasons Vignettes are more expensive.

If 50% of this car were our turist, i would be the first one to agree that vignettes should cost like in Austria, because they would leave more money in Slovenia on other things.

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Old December 15th, 2017, 12:18 AM   #6526
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Is this a joint Slovene-Austrian tender?

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No, every country has its own tender.
But what does that mean? Is not the tunnel and the future one owned 50-50 by Slovenia and Austria? And if so, I would assume that each country will pay half for the construction costs.
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Old December 15th, 2017, 12:40 AM   #6527
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But what does that mean? Is not the tunnel and the future one owned 50-50 by Slovenia and Austria? And if so, I would assume that each country will pay half for the construction costs.
No, the tunnel was completly built by Austria and is now operated and managed by ASFINAG.
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Old December 15th, 2017, 01:13 AM   #6528
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I thought Karavanke tunnel was built in Yugoslav times, and jointly financed with Austria.

So the first tunnel is owned by Austria, and the second is to be owned by Slovenia?
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Old December 15th, 2017, 01:44 AM   #6529
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What are you guys talking about? Each country payed their part of the tunnel - up to the border and slovenian company SCT was the main contractor on the Slovenian side. The same model will be used for the second tube. The tunnel is and will be managed by DARS and ASFINAG and they switch rolles/responsibilities every month.
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Old December 15th, 2017, 02:04 AM   #6530
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No, the tunnel was completly built by Austria and is now operated and managed by ASFINAG.
You're talking nonsense. The tunnel was built by both countries and is managed by both, Dars and Asfinag.
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Old December 15th, 2017, 09:56 AM   #6531
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No, the tunnel was completly built by Austria and is now operated and managed by ASFINAG.
As Verso said tunnel was built and is operated from both countries. Slovenian and austrian one.

That's why on one side you pay toll to Asfinag (direction Ljubljana) and on the other side (direction Villach) you pay toll to DARS.
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Old December 15th, 2017, 03:06 PM   #6532
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No, the tunnel was completly built by Austria and is now operated and managed by ASFINAG.
Here you have a movie about buidling it

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Old December 19th, 2017, 01:26 PM   #6533
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In light of the recent vignette discussion, here's a chart illustrating just how significant the 2008-2009 drop in road deaths was. The data is only for the Jan 1 - Dec 17 period of each year, but it's representative enough. On a side note, 2017 is shaping up to be one of the safest years on record after two years of backsliding.



source: http://www.varna-pot.si/si/335/1913/..._VARNOSTI.aspx
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Old December 21st, 2017, 01:53 AM   #6534
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That's quite the difference. Any clear reason why the steep decline? Change of habits? More alcohol checks? Newer cars? Saver roads? Sure it is a combination, but clearly there has been a large intervention by the government.
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Old December 21st, 2017, 02:25 AM   #6535
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That's quite the difference. Any clear reason why the steep decline? Change of habits? More alcohol checks? Newer cars? Saver roads? Sure it is a combination, but clearly there has been a large intervention by the government.
He already answered you when he wrote about vignette and drop in year 2008-2009. Vignette were introduced 1.7. 2008
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Old December 21st, 2017, 09:24 AM   #6536
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There were also a lot of motorway and expressway openings between 2008 and 2010 (around 150 km), that is completion of A5, H4 and A2 (except 3 km long section, opened in 2011):
https://www.dars.si/Dokumenti/About_...sways_286.aspx

We could say that 2 years after vignette introduction motorway cross was finished. Both factors are the main reason for that significant road death number. Police checks and better cars were not important reason.
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Old December 21st, 2017, 01:27 PM   #6537
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Indeed, both factors likely caused the significant drop. Many settlements and main roads were relieved of traffic following the completion of missing motorway sections, while other regional roads saw large declines in traffic following the introduction of vignettes, which diverted traffic to safer parallel motorways.
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Old December 23rd, 2017, 01:10 AM   #6538
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Do not forget the financial crisis which beat us hard.

The results of the economic improvement you can see in 2015, 2016, while only now people(and the state) have enough money to think about buying new cars and long term investments.
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Old December 23rd, 2017, 12:41 PM   #6539
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Currently there is around 20 km long traffic jam before Obrežje border crossing.
That is probably by far the longest traffic jam on A2 as I remember it.
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Old December 23rd, 2017, 05:26 PM   #6540
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Currently there is around 20 km long traffic jam before Obrežje border crossing.
That is probably by far the longest traffic jam on A2 as I remember it.
Christmas traffic, weather, accident ?
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